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  • winnipeg
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    To get back to the topic of this thread, which is buyer's paying the platform fees, here is an example of my latest purchase from one of my regular sellers:-

    Purchases 15.41
    Shipping Fees 3.00
    Total amount receivable by Seller 18.41
    Platform Costs 4.84
    Total cost to Buyer 23.25

    In other words, over a 26% surcharge on the total value of my order, including postage. Without postage the Platform Fees represent over 31% Buyer's Commission on my order.

    Sellers are going to have to be offering something I really want in future whilst this outrageous fleecing of buyers by Delcampe continues.
    How is Platform Costs might be 4.84,if the item price is 15.41 ? 10% fees + 0.30e per item is what D charge.If you have many items in the order with additional 0.30 charge per item,than it really hurts ((
  • sammlerkalle
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    How is Platform Costs might be 4.84,if the item price is 15.41 ? 10% fees + 0.30e per item is what D charge.If you have many items in the order with additional 0.30 charge per item,than it really hurts ((
    Yes, it's 30 cents per item. If you sell 10 items at 80 cents each, you will incur 10 x 30 cents (= 3 euros) + 10 x 8 cents (= 80 cents) fees. In this case, things end up costing 11.80 euros instead of 8 euros.
  • moonstone
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    To get back to the topic of this thread, which is buyer's paying the platform fees, here is an example of my latest purchase from one of my regular sellers:-

    Purchases 15.41
    Shipping Fees 3.00
    Total amount receivable by Seller 18.41
    Platform Costs 4.84
    Total cost to Buyer 23.25

    In other words, over a 26% surcharge on the total value of my order, including postage. Without postage the Platform Fees represent over 31% Buyer's Commission on my order.

    Sellers are going to have to be offering something I really want in future whilst this outrageous fleecing of buyers by Delcampe continues.
    The Delcampe calculation is correct for the purchase of 11 items.

    15.41 x 10% = 1.54

    11 items at 0.30 = 3.30

    3.30 + 1.54 = 4.84 - the stated platform costs
  • 4margins
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    The Delcampe calculation is correct for the purchase of 11 items.

    15.41 x 10% = 1.54

    11 items at 0.30 = 3.30

    3.30 + 1.54 = 4.84 - the stated platform costs
    Yes, exactly. I am merely illustrating the extent of the extra costs to buyers, which for an order such as this are excessive.
  • winnipeg
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    Yes, exactly. I am merely illustrating the extent of the extra costs to buyers, which for an order such as this are excessive.
    Buying many unexpressive items is to expensive by end.
  • moonstone
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    Yes, exactly. I am merely illustrating the extent of the extra costs to buyers, which for an order such as this are excessive.
    Whether they are ‘excessive’ or not really depends on whether the seller had reduced their prices to reflect the fact that they were no longer paying seller fees to Delcampe. If they did reduce by the 6.5% plus 23p item fee, then the total you paid was less than you would have done before April 2.
    If they didn’t, then the seller has made that fee as profit and left you with all the charges.

    This is something that’s not obvious now but buyers have voted with their feet and I can’t blame them.
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    Whether they are ‘excessive’ or not really depends on whether the seller had reduced their prices to reflect the fact that they were no longer paying seller fees to Delcampe. If they did reduce by the 6.5% plus 23p item fee, then the total you paid was less than you would have done before April 2.
    If they didn’t, then the seller has made that fee as profit and left you with all the charges.

    This is something that’s not obvious now but buyers have voted with their feet and I can’t blame them.
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  • moonstone
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    I hope you're right, my sales are way down but views of my store, although down, are not down anywhere near a large a %.

    There are a number of problems to that recovery however, firstly, sellers will not list new material on the site if they're consistently not selling. I suspect many, like myself, are waiting to see if there is any improvement, they'll give it some time and then.....

    Sellers may still retain a presence on Delcampe but reduce their store size to avoid paying a larger fee. The issue with this is that Delcampe will get fewer new listings of genuinely saleable items, and therefore will still not be able to recover sales volume.

    Delcampe is no longer the only viable alternative for collectables to e*ay that it was a number of years ago - there are more players in the market now and some give the impression of being well backed financially. Buyers will go wherever the price is best for the item they require
  • sammlerkalle
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    First of all, things will go even further downhill. The fixed costs will soon come here. Then some sellers will stop here or significantly reduce their offerings. This will result in even fewer buyers, which will then cause some buyers to leave the site because they are no longer offered the right items here. This then leads to the next sellers leaving, etc. If a tipping point is exceeded, it becomes dark here. Individual customers who come back are of no use, nor are individual sellers who lower their prices.
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    I hope you're right, my sales are way down but views of my store, although down, are not down anywhere near a large a %.

    There are a number of problems to that recovery however, firstly, sellers will not list new material on the site if they're consistently not selling. I suspect many, like myself, are waiting to see if there is any improvement, they'll give it some time and then.....

    Sellers may still retain a presence on Delcampe but reduce their store size to avoid paying a larger fee. The issue with this is that Delcampe will get fewer new listings of genuinely saleable items, and therefore will still not be able to recover sales volume.

    Delcampe is no longer the only viable alternative for collectables to e*ay that it was a number of years ago - there are more players in the market now and some give the impression of being well backed financially. Buyers will go wherever the price is best for the item they require
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  • decorables
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    In the past I preferred shopping on Delcampe, but since the change I am seriously thinking about switching to e*ay. I am still browsing on Delcampe but every time I think of bidding on something, I second guess myself as to whether it is worth paying the platform fees. When I did bid on a listing in the past, I would browse the seller's shop to see if I could find other items to be shipped together. I refrain from doing that anymore. Instead of, maybe, purchasing five or six postcards I settle for one.
  • moonstone
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    In the past I preferred shopping on Delcampe, but since the change I am seriously thinking about switching to e*ay. I am still browsing on Delcampe but every time I think of bidding on something, I second guess myself as to whether it is worth paying the platform fees. When I did bid on a listing in the past, I would browse the seller's shop to see if I could find other items to be shipped together. I refrain from doing that anymore. Instead of, maybe, purchasing five or six postcards I settle for one.
    'When I did bid on a listing in the past, I would browse the seller's shop to see if I could find other items to be shipped together. I refrain from doing that anymore. Instead of, maybe, purchasing five or six postcards I settle for one'.

    And you are not alone. Of the few sales I have had this month, all bar 2 have been for 1 item only. This is totally contrary to what Delcampe has been over the years where it was not uncommon for buyers to buy, 30, 40, sometimes over 100 items in one order.

    If Delcampe think they are going to replicate that, I fear they are very sadly mistaken, although I suspect that it was on the basis that buyers would continue to buy as before, that they went down this road they are now on.
  • sammlerkalle
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    'When I did bid on a listing in the past, I would browse the seller's shop to see if I could find other items to be shipped together. I refrain from doing that anymore. Instead of, maybe, purchasing five or six postcards I settle for one'.

    And you are not alone. Of the few sales I have had this month, all bar 2 have been for 1 item only. This is totally contrary to what Delcampe has been over the years where it was not uncommon for buyers to buy, 30, 40, sometimes over 100 items in one order.

    If Delcampe think they are going to replicate that, I fear they are very sadly mistaken, although I suspect that it was on the basis that buyers would continue to buy as before, that they went down this road they are now on.
    Yes, a hundred items are over thirty euros new fees. So,they just ask Google first if it's available somewhere else at the old price.
  • moonstone
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    Fair enough if Euro currency is important to you, for others that may not be a large consideration.

    The application of seller shop fees, which Delcampe intend to introduce in the near future, only brings them into line with other online selling websites. To be honest, if Delcampe had gone with that, even to a greater extent, and cut the buyer fees, particularly the 30c item charge, I think that might have been better.
  • stevehillstamps
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    Fair enough if Euro currency is important to you, for others that may not be a large consideration.

    The application of seller shop fees, which Delcampe intend to introduce in the near future, only brings them into line with other online selling websites. To be honest, if Delcampe had gone with that, even to a greater extent, and cut the buyer fees, particularly the 30c item charge, I think that might have been better.
    One of the mistakes Delcampe have made was getting rid of the fees on Mangopay/Delcampe Pay. Although they felt they needed to sweeten the removal of payment off site, I think its really backfired now.

    To compensate for the 27p transaction charge they've had to increase the item charge massively, making multiple purchases a lot rarer. People are sometimes buying the one item they really want, but impulse purchases to fill a second space to get move value out of the postage have evaporated.

    I'd far rather they bought this back and reversed some of the item fee increases. It's also really unfair on customers paying by paypal having to pay for the payment twice.

    Charge fees where you incur the costs, raher than inflating the item charges to compensate.
  • sammlerkalle
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    The nice thing is that Delcampe believes they are alone in the world, but we can see that other mothers also have beautiful daughters.
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    Fair enough if Euro currency is important to you, for others that may not be a large consideration.

    The application of seller shop fees, which Delcampe intend to introduce in the near future, only brings them into line with other online selling websites. To be honest, if Delcampe had gone with that, even to a greater extent, and cut the buyer fees, particularly the 30c item charge, I think that might have been better.
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  • moonstone
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    Well I would suggest he’s going to have to do something or he probably won’t have a business anymore, if my experience of this last few weeks is replicated elsewhere.

    No doubt he left himself some room to manoeuvre, problem is that when you lose buyers there’s no guarantee you will get them back again.
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    Well I would suggest he’s going to have to do something or he probably won’t have a business anymore, if my experience of this last few weeks is replicated elsewhere.

    No doubt he left himself some room to manoeuvre, problem is that when you lose buyers there’s no guarantee you will get them back again.
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  • stevehillstamps
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    API sellers can move easily yes, but as moonstone says above other sellers do not have to move sales to negatively affect Delcampe's offering, they just need to stop listing as much. Basically a seller can leave their shop here in semi-hibernation (and still get some sales here) while they build up their store elsewhere.

    I used to list 500-600 items a month here, but this year I've been averaging around 150. My lots here are larger than previously (which Delcampe wants), but I'm listing more elsewhere as well.
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    API sellers can move easily yes, but as moonstone says above other sellers do not have to move sales to negatively affect Delcampe's offering, they just need to stop listing as much. Basically a seller can leave their shop here in semi-hibernation (and still get some sales here) while they build up their store elsewhere.

    I used to list 500-600 items a month here, but this year I've been averaging around 150. My lots here are larger than previously (which Delcampe wants), but I'm listing more elsewhere as well.
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  • grahamshanghai
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    Yes, a hundred items are over thirty euros new fees. So,they just ask Google first if it's available somewhere else at the old price.
    I agree entirely with all this. It is ridiculous for a platform to charge fees (regardless of whether to buyer or seller) in a way that reduces the incentive to buy more items from the same seller in the same purchase.

    It also reduces the seller's incentive to list many items of the same kind, or in the same category, to encourage this sort of activity. This also disproportionately punishes sellers who are specialists in a a particular area, which is supposed to be one of Delcampe's "community benefits".

    I really hope Delcampe will rethink this issue.
  • cpaphil
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    good point
  • garysstamps
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    I just recently found out that buyers are now being charged the platform fees for sellers listings. I cannot believe that Delcampe has instituted this. This just boggles my mind. I have been purchasing on Delcampe for many years, and have been relatively satisfied with most of my transactions. I am just astonished that this is happening. Of course, it took me almost 2 months to find out that Delcampe had done this. I confess that I really don't read my emails as I feel that they would be mostly for buyers. And, it almost seems as if Delcampe was in a way hiding the fees on the second page. You have to click "more" and I basically found out by chance. All I can say is that I will not be able to purchase in the quantity that I used to. Having to have to pay the sellers fees makes the customer feel like they are being abused. My purchases will have to maybe, constitute 25% if not less of what I used to buy before on the site. Honestly, I almost don't want to purchase on Delcampe anymore due to their unfair practices. How Delcampe could have thought that this was a good idea is just beyond me.
    I am both a buyer and seller and totally agree with you.
    However, I know that many sellers including myself have reduced their prices to cover the fees.
    Though not fair at all on the seller, it may reassure you that you may not be paying more than you would have done before.
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    never lose hope :angel:

    guess what: my item #61519853 was uploaded in 2009 (15 years ago) and it was sold 2 weeks ago.
    :yes:

    to be honest: I really can't understand, WHY all those Millions of items are allowed to stay here in the Nirvana until forever and a day?
    A maximum sale presence of say one year would clean this pond and freshen up the offers.

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