Buyer Commissions Require Immediate Review

  • cassander_thucelius

    1428 berichten

    Duitsland

    "Most collectors who are looking for something they're missing have probably chosen the "newest first" setting. It doesn't bother them that there is something on page thirty-four."

    Correct me if I am wrong on this, but I get the impression that every time an older unsold item is renewed, it then shows up on the first browsing page using the "newest first" setting. It doesn't stay on page thirty-four, but is repromoted as a new listing, meaning that regular browsers are seeing the same set of tired old listings every time a bulk seller has all his/her listings renewed, such that the browser is having to wade through all of these again in an attempt to find genuinely new listings.

    In principal I have no objection to older items remaining on the site, but I don't want them repeatedly repromoted as "new" listings when they are not.
    • Aangemaakt 28 okt 2024 op 08:46
    • #1815561
    You are wrong. This only happens if sellers do not renew their listings, but put them in as new offers. Some do that, and I have long blacklisted them because I hate this practice.
  • Roterosen
    Rekening afgesloten
    free

    122 berichten

    Thailand

    Dear customers,

    Thank you for sharing your feedback with us. We understand that the current pricing structure poses challenges, especially for the sale of lower value items. We've spoken to several sellers and buyers, and we are aware of the difficulties this creates.

    We are actively looking into ways to improve this situation. One of the main challenges we face is reconciling the storage costs for low-value items that remain on the website for a long time before being sold.

    It's important to note that some comparisons being made are not entirely accurate. For instance, comparing a price inclusive of all taxes without discounts to a price excluding VAT with a 20% professional discount is like comparing apples to oranges. If we compare the previous rate for a private seller, inclusive of all taxes, the average cost per item was between 27 and 28 cents, with an average percentage of around 9% (incl. of all taxes). Therefore, we should compare 30 cents with 28 cents and 9% with 10% (incl. of all taxes). Previously, a 50-cent stamp cost 27 cents + 9% commission, which amounted to 31.5 cents (resulting in a 63% commission in this case), except for professionals with Club+ subscriptions. This has always been the case since 2012 with the introduction of the fixed fee tax that covers fixed costs regardless of the item's value. Additionally, VAT can go up to 27% in Europe, so 30 cents (all taxes included) equals 23.6 cents, which does not cover the hosting costs of this item, costs that have significantly increased.

    To address these issues, our team, along with Sebastian Delcampe, will be holding another meeting in mid-November. This time, we will include a selection of English-speaking sellers and buyers to discuss the challenges you are facing and explore potential solutions.

    We are also planning to hold promotions on platform fees. Additionally, we advise regrouping lower value items into lots and focusing on promoting higher value items as the best sales strategy.

    If you would like to be a part of this meeting, please write to us at magazine@delcampe.com .

    Thank you for your patience and understanding.

    Best regards,

    Dimitri
    • Aangemaakt 23 okt 2024 op 07:37
    • #1813575
    @dimitri

    Discussing single cases does not make sense. Why is DC not straightforward and publishing current data like in the past? No update on active users, sales etc.

    Do you have to hide something? Be more transparent, which is also a trust-building action.

    Cheers
  • stevehillstamps

    223 berichten

    Verenigd Koninkrijk

    "Most collectors who are looking for something they're missing have probably chosen the "newest first" setting. It doesn't bother them that there is something on page thirty-four."

    Correct me if I am wrong on this, but I get the impression that every time an older unsold item is renewed, it then shows up on the first browsing page using the "newest first" setting. It doesn't stay on page thirty-four, but is repromoted as a new listing, meaning that regular browsers are seeing the same set of tired old listings every time a bulk seller has all his/her listings renewed, such that the browser is having to wade through all of these again in an attempt to find genuinely new listings.

    In principal I have no objection to older items remaining on the site, but I don't want them repeatedly repromoted as "new" listings when they are not.
    • Aangemaakt 28 okt 2024 op 08:46
    • #1815561
    This does not apply to renewals, 'newest first' just sorts by item number, and a renewal does not change this.

    To do this on site you need to use the 'Relaunch my sales as new' paid service within multiple changes which gives each item a new item ID (and then appears at the top of the list). This is not included within the club+ offer.

    With the API it is possible to close the old sales and launch as new from your website/host without paying, its probably one of the reasons that there is an API fee. Doing so too frequently (as in more frequently than the paid service above) will get you a warning off Delcampe though as it is against the T&C's.
  • 4margins

    132 berichten

    Verenigd Koninkrijk

    This does not apply to renewals, 'newest first' just sorts by item number, and a renewal does not change this.

    To do this on site you need to use the 'Relaunch my sales as new' paid service within multiple changes which gives each item a new item ID (and then appears at the top of the list). This is not included within the club+ offer.

    With the API it is possible to close the old sales and launch as new from your website/host without paying, its probably one of the reasons that there is an API fee. Doing so too frequently (as in more frequently than the paid service above) will get you a warning off Delcampe though as it is against the T&C's.
    • Aangemaakt 29 okt 2024 op 06:08
    • #1816023
    Thanks for the clarification on this. It is obvious that some rogue sellers are renewing old items via the API as I frequently encounter "new" lots I have seen before.
  • martinezsmith

    51 berichten

    Spanje

    @Dimitri, could you clarify why the decision was made to upscale optimized images? Delcampe can't reasonably cite storage concerns when it’s automatically increasing image sizes.

    I’ve attached two images for reference. The first is the original image we uploaded yesterday, which is 100 KB, and the second is the upscaled version created by Delcampe, now 468 KB. The original quality was perfectly adequate for the listing. Upscaling to this extent seems counterproductive if storage space is a concern.

    From my perspective, the decision to upscale images reflects a misunderstanding of the underlying storage issue. We also work with another platform where images are downsized, and a zoom feature is used to double the size. Although the quality might not be as high, it’s more than enough to showcase the item effectively.

    Honestly, I’m reaching the end of my patience with Delcampe. This could be the last straw for us here.
  • martinezsmith

    51 berichten

    Spanje

    I am unable to edit my last post...

    Yet again, the site did not respect the image sizes of the uploaded images on my previous post, which I uploaded as a comparison this morning.

    You can see the upscaling effect, I mentioned this morning in this listing link: Link (https)
  • ontheridgestamps
    Interesting discussion. Like others, we have seen a significant drop in sales on Delcampe. To exclude seasonal variation, I've compared the most recent 6 months (since the change) to the same period last year. Store sales for this period in 2024 are only 56% of what they were in 2023. The type and variety of the stamps for sale (worldwide classic) - is the same in both periods. The average value of each sale (around 9 Euros) has remained the same, only a 3% variation.

    Sales on the other platforms we sell on have either increased (in one case significantly) or decreased slightly over the same period. Given this, it seems very apparent that buyers on Delcampe are not buying in the same volume as before, and are moving their buying activities elsewhere, resulting in less income for both Delcampe and their sellers. It is nice to not have to pay commissions on sales, but if the customers aren't there and buying, everyone is worse off.

    It is not clear that Delcampe recognizes this as a significant problem, beyond suggestions that do not apply to sellers such as myself (e.g. grouping low value items). It is a little baffling as to how image storage space cost is cited as a major impetus for these platform fee changes. There are many options to handle image retention issues (closing old items, condensing images, not allowing items under $X, etc.) - it doesn't appear that Delcampe investigated any of those before deciding on the platform fee changes.

    Hopefully the Delcampe team will seriously address the concerns raised by sellers and revise their approach moving forward so the platforms is good for both buyers and sellers.

    Regards, Greg
  • Servitel

    394 berichten

    Zwitserland

    Dear customers,

    Thank you for sharing your feedback with us. We understand that the current pricing structure poses challenges, especially for the sale of lower value items. We've spoken to several sellers and buyers, and we are aware of the difficulties this creates.

    We are actively looking into ways to improve this situation. One of the main challenges we face is reconciling the storage costs for low-value items that remain on the website for a long time before being sold.

    It's important to note that some comparisons being made are not entirely accurate. For instance, comparing a price inclusive of all taxes without discounts to a price excluding VAT with a 20% professional discount is like comparing apples to oranges. If we compare the previous rate for a private seller, inclusive of all taxes, the average cost per item was between 27 and 28 cents, with an average percentage of around 9% (incl. of all taxes). Therefore, we should compare 30 cents with 28 cents and 9% with 10% (incl. of all taxes). Previously, a 50-cent stamp cost 27 cents + 9% commission, which amounted to 31.5 cents (resulting in a 63% commission in this case), except for professionals with Club+ subscriptions. This has always been the case since 2012 with the introduction of the fixed fee tax that covers fixed costs regardless of the item's value. Additionally, VAT can go up to 27% in Europe, so 30 cents (all taxes included) equals 23.6 cents, which does not cover the hosting costs of this item, costs that have significantly increased.

    To address these issues, our team, along with Sebastian Delcampe, will be holding another meeting in mid-November. This time, we will include a selection of English-speaking sellers and buyers to discuss the challenges you are facing and explore potential solutions.

    We are also planning to hold promotions on platform fees. Additionally, we advise regrouping lower value items into lots and focusing on promoting higher value items as the best sales strategy.

    If you would like to be a part of this meeting, please write to us at magazine@delcampe.com .

    Thank you for your patience and understanding.

    Best regards,

    Dimitri
    • Aangemaakt 23 okt 2024 op 07:37
    • #1813575
    Hi Dimitri
    I have sent an email to magazine@delcampe.com asking to partecipate to the meeting, but no answer
  • tris_nerima

    437 berichten

    Canada

    Thank you to everyone who has contributed to this discussion. It’s been fantastic to see such active participation, and it really helps us all gain a broader understanding of the experiences and situations that other members are facing under the new commission system.

    I won’t go into every single reply, but I’d like to share a few thoughts on the recent messages.

    If Delcampe were to set a minimum price, it would likely be the first collectible marketplace to do so. We actively sell on two other platforms where no minimum price is enforced. Sellers can list items like trading cards and stamps for just a few cents, and these marketplaces support this without complaint. Additionally, of the three platforms we work with, Delcampe is the only one that charges the buyer directly rather than the seller.

    Delcampe’s roots are in stamps and postcards, and I don’t see that changing anytime soon. However, one major drawback of the site is its lack of effective SEO, which significantly impacts visibility and reach.

    In many other ways, though, Delcampe has been the most professional platform we’ve worked on, with years of strong reputation and solid functionality. Delcampe also used to offer special pricing for professional sellers, which was much appreciated—but now, this special pricing is gone.

    As a long-term seller, I can say that some of our items have been listed for years, and it’s always great when one of those finally sells. While Delcampe maintains the image and listing data, we store the physical item in our warehouse, ensuring everything is well-organized and referenced. Maintaining this storage has a cost for us, of course, but that’s part of the business we accept.

    As some have already mentioned, storage for 100,000 to 600,000 images is not as costly as it used to be. Even factoring in additional expenses, the current €0.30 fee per item seems hard to justify.

    For mint stamps (and similar items, like mint coins), Delcampe could implement an image pool where multiple sellers use a shared image. This could be restricted to trusted sellers or established vendors, for instance. With many sellers listing identical items, it seems inefficient that Delcampe has to store numerous copies of the same image.

    Finding specific stamps, coins, or banknotes is easiest by navigating categories and searching by year. Categories may vary by language, but the year (1958, 1980, 1994) is universal and simplifies the process.

    To address the current issues, my suggested solution would be:

    No buyer fees—let sellers absorb platform costs.
    Fixed item sale fees by price range, plus a 10% fee, all paid by the seller.
    Slightly increased shop subscription fees, to help offset costs without impacting per-item sales.
    No API fees—as mentioned previously, Delcampe is the only platform we use that charges for API access.
    Please let’s keep sharing our ideas, so those attending the mid-November meeting have as much input as possible.
    • Aangemaakt 28 okt 2024 op 06:17
    • #1815504
    Thanks for your reply. As I read it it seems you are suggesting Delcampe goes back to where it was originally,(before the new rates). If so I agree. My suggestions were based on Delcampe's reasons for the changes. Storage on servers,from my view are the cost of doing business. It does not justify a 30% increase in fees,especially to buyers who are the life blood for Delcampe and sellers here.I would also suggest that the new rates should also afford Delcampe a much better
    way to allow members to contact them.For example a free chat line.More contact people with quicker answers.
  • @dimitri
    Beheerder

    814 berichten

    België

    Hi Dimitri
    I have sent an email to magazine@delcampe.com asking to partecipate to the meeting, but no answer
    • Aangemaakt 4 nov 2024 op 06:23
    • #1818849
    Hello Servitel,

    You won't receive a reply to your e-mail, but you will be added to the mailing list and receive an invitation when those go out :cool:
  • Servitel

    394 berichten

    Zwitserland

    Hello Servitel,

    You won't receive a reply to your e-mail, but you will be added to the mailing list and receive an invitation when those go out :cool:
    • Aangemaakt 5 nov 2024 op 03:12
    • #1819251
    Votre message

    À : Delcampe.net - Magazine
    Sujet : Request to add me to the mid november meeting
    Envoyé : dimanche 27 octobre 2024 20:31:28 (UTC-12:00) Ligne de changement de date internationale (Ouest)

    a été supprimé sans être lu le jeudi 7 novembre 2024 20:17:57 (UTC-12:00) Ligne de changement de date internationale (Ouest).


    Final-recipient: RFC822; magazine@delcampe.com
    Disposition: automatic-action/MDN-sent-automatically; deleted
    X-MSExch-Correlation-Key: xx/F3QLYM0GaOrqxpbgz/w==
    X-Display-Name: Delcampe.net - Magazine
  • @miranda
    Beheerder

    516 berichten

    België

    Votre message

    À : Delcampe.net - Magazine
    Sujet : Request to add me to the mid november meeting
    Envoyé : dimanche 27 octobre 2024 20:31:28 (UTC-12:00) Ligne de changement de date internationale (Ouest)

    a été supprimé sans être lu le jeudi 7 novembre 2024 20:17:57 (UTC-12:00) Ligne de changement de date internationale (Ouest).


    Final-recipient: RFC822; magazine@delcampe.com
    Disposition: automatic-action/MDN-sent-automatically; deleted
    X-MSExch-Correlation-Key: xx/F3QLYM0GaOrqxpbgz/w==
    X-Display-Name: Delcampe.net - Magazine
    • Aangemaakt 16 nov 2024 op 03:30
    • #1824243
    Hi Servitel,

    You'll be contacted today regarding the meeting.

    KR,
    Miranda
  • martinezsmith

    51 berichten

    Spanje

    Does the lack of updates regarding the mid-November meeting suggest good news, bad news, or simply that the meeting hasn’t taken place yet?

    Alternatively, could it be that those who attended the meeting are under some form of disclosure agreement, preventing them from commenting?

    I’d greatly appreciate any updates or clarifications from the participants. Thanks in advance!
  • BELLAVESPA

    33 berichten

    België

    Dear customers,

    Thank you for sharing your feedback with us. We understand that the current pricing structure poses challenges, especially for the sale of lower value items. We've spoken to several sellers and buyers, and we are aware of the difficulties this creates.

    We are actively looking into ways to improve this situation. One of the main challenges we face is reconciling the storage costs for low-value items that remain on the website for a long time before being sold.

    It's important to note that some comparisons being made are not entirely accurate. For instance, comparing a price inclusive of all taxes without discounts to a price excluding VAT with a 20% professional discount is like comparing apples to oranges. If we compare the previous rate for a private seller, inclusive of all taxes, the average cost per item was between 27 and 28 cents, with an average percentage of around 9% (incl. of all taxes). Therefore, we should compare 30 cents with 28 cents and 9% with 10% (incl. of all taxes). Previously, a 50-cent stamp cost 27 cents + 9% commission, which amounted to 31.5 cents (resulting in a 63% commission in this case), except for professionals with Club+ subscriptions. This has always been the case since 2012 with the introduction of the fixed fee tax that covers fixed costs regardless of the item's value. Additionally, VAT can go up to 27% in Europe, so 30 cents (all taxes included) equals 23.6 cents, which does not cover the hosting costs of this item, costs that have significantly increased.

    To address these issues, our team, along with Sebastian Delcampe, will be holding another meeting in mid-November. This time, we will include a selection of English-speaking sellers and buyers to discuss the challenges you are facing and explore potential solutions.

    We are also planning to hold promotions on platform fees. Additionally, we advise regrouping lower value items into lots and focusing on promoting higher value items as the best sales strategy.

    If you would like to be a part of this meeting, please write to us at magazine@delcampe.com .

    Thank you for your patience and understanding.

    Best regards,

    Dimitri
    • Aangemaakt 23 okt 2024 op 07:37
    • #1813575
    Dimitry
    In the past there where open votings real time vissible. Writing in one direction is differrent from the past way of transparancy .Even that i as prof never heard before of the link magazine@delcampe.com . is very strange as a Proffesional seller.

    Kind regards
    BELLAVESPA
  • martinezsmith

    51 berichten

    Spanje

    @Bellavespa

    The site does not seem to be as transparent as it once was, with a noticeable decline in the sharing of information compared to the past.

    I doubt @dimitri will respond to your query. I have posed several questions to him across different threads, none of which have received a reply.

    Over the past weeks, I’ve come to realize that the administrators have chosen not to engage in discussions with members. While I don’t agree with this approach, it is a decision they are entitled to make, and we have to accept it.

    As you were unaware of the email you mentioned, you may also not have heard that a selected group of French-speaking users received a survey about the site two weeks ago. If you’d like to confirm this, you can refer to the Delcampe French forum thread here: Link (https) .

    To my knowledge, no such survey has been distributed to users in other languages, myself included. While I understand that the French-speaking community is likely the largest on the platform, it’s important to recognize that our sales are global, and English serves as our primary language for communication.
  • ColParad

    2 berichten

    Hongarije

    As I can see Delcampe now not interested in share any information about meeting. Sales is drop down but Delcampe have profit from arised fees.
    Also They only want to have money on API fees ( It's only place where want to have money for it) and other subscriptions.
  • kittell

    33 berichten

    Singapore

    I sold an item and the Delcampe fee shown in the invoice was 8.26% plus $0.30, and not 10% plus $0.36 . Is this a permanent reduction? The prices shown in my shop still have 10% plus $0.36 added. I seem to have missed any announcement on this.
  • martinezsmith

    51 berichten

    Spanje

    We have a single invoice to send today of an item sold 3 hours ago, and it’s still showing a 10% fee.

    Here’s the breakdown:

    Item sold for €2.43
    Fees: 10.00% of €2.43 (total amount of items) + €0.30 x 1 item = €0.54

    This means our buyer is paying a final fee of 22.5% over the original price, which is significantly higher than fees on other marketplaces.

    At this point, I would be genuinely surprised if Delcampe were to reverse its policy. Unfortunately, we’ve lost hope.
  • sammlerkalle

    873 berichten

    Duitsland

    I sold an item and the Delcampe fee shown in the invoice was 8.26% plus $0.30, and not 10% plus $0.36 . Is this a permanent reduction? The prices shown in my shop still have 10% plus $0.36 added. I seem to have missed any announcement on this.
    • Aangemaakt 12 dec 2024 op 01:27
    • #1838343
    A commercial buyer with a VAT ID pays less to Delcampe because Delcampe does not charge VAT on the purchase commission. The buyer then has to pay this waived VAT to their tax office themselves. Ultimately, this buyers don't save anything, but have more work.
  • kittell

    33 berichten

    Singapore

    Thanks for your replies. Understood.
  • baifeiyun1

    19 berichten

    China

    Hello "richnoddystamps",

    Thank you for sharing your point of view with us. We will of course take it into consideration.

    However, please note that the platform fees are already included in the price displayed on the page of your item. This means that the buyer already knows the price (including platform fees) before confirming their purchase. I also note that your buyer had to pay import fees. This is a requirement of the European Union that we must comply with.
    The European Union requires marketplaces, such as Delcampe, to collect import VAT on goods sold to European individuals by professionals located outside the EU, for any shipment up to 150 euros (about 125 GBP).

    Best regards,
    Cecilia
    • Aangemaakt 23 okt 2024 op 09:45
    • #1813617
    Hi:
    Do you mean that platform fee($0.36+10%) include VAT?
  • @cecilia
    Beheerder

    700 berichten

    België

    Hi:
    Do you mean that platform fee($0.36+10%) include VAT?
    • Aangemaakt 19 mrt 2025 op 21:07
    • #1879630
    Hello "baifeiyun1",

    The platform fees do not include import VAT. Import fees are added to the invoice, in addition to the platform fees.

    Kind regards,
    Cecilia

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