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EU VAT Reform

  • stevehillstamps
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    Have we had any news on how Delcampe will be implementing the new EU VAT rules?

    Aware that they are coming in on 1 July which doesnt seem that far away now.
  • @marion
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    Have we had any news on how Delcampe will be implementing the new EU VAT rules?

    Aware that they are coming in on 1 July which doesnt seem that far away now.
    Hello "Stevehillstamps",

    A communication will be sent next week in order to inform you on this matter.

    Kind regards,

    Marion - Delcampe Customer Service
  • stevehillstamps
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    Many thanks!
  • crazyrebel
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    Hello "Stevehillstamps",

    A communication will be sent next week in order to inform you on this matter.

    Kind regards,

    Marion - Delcampe Customer Service
    hiyya will this be a general message to all sellers as it is very confusing, we sent a letter to Belgium and customs is holding it now, what if it was a christmas card would they do the same ?
  • wycombe1
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    The joys of Brexit.

    You may find your letter comes back to you if Belgian customs levy customs fees and handling charges on your letter. Since we left the EU clients in the EU buying from the UK became liable for such charges and if the buyer refuses to pay the letter will, eventually, find its way back to you. The opposite is true which is why I no longer buy very much from European auction houses as the customs fees and handling charges add from 20% to 30% to any invoice.
  • stevehillstamps
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    I'm hopeful that for EU orders less than 150EUR in total things may improve with this reform. Will wait and see how Delcampe are going to do this.

    With this and the new automated shipping charges going to be a lot of things to do over the next couple of weeks.
  • wonkydonkey
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    Hi, The 'other' web site has already announced VAT charges to Europe from July 1st.
    I presume that this will be 20%.
    Please confirm Delcampe will be implementing the same fees and who is liable to pay this, the buyer or the seller ?, Also how will these fees be paid ??.
    Thanks for any help. :help: :help:
  • wonkydonkey
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    Hi, The 'other' web site has already announced VAT charges to Europe from July 1st.
    I presume that this will be 20%.
    Please confirm Delcampe will be implementing the same fees and who is liable to pay this, the buyer or the seller ?, Also how will these fees be paid ??.
    Thanks for any help. :help: :help:
    Hoping this doesn't mean the end to sending items to Europe, an extra 20% could make sending outside the UK no longer viable.
  • stevehillstamps
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    Many thanks for your update on these VAT changes. A few questions if I may :

    Will you be providing the seller with an IOSS number on transactions where you collect tax?My understanding is this is needed to be put into the CNS22 to avoid the buyer paying tax twice.

    Please can you confirm that there is an additional fee of 5% of the total amount to provide this service? Is this capped?This seems excessive for the service being provided. Another well known selling site is not adding any further fees on these transactions, they are just charging the VAT.  
    Indeed this fee may be greater than the customs clearance fee charged by the receiving post service in some cases. The Royal Mail in the UK has a 3rd party offering this service for a flat GBP2 fee.

    Your example mentions using Delcampe Pay for transactions with VAT added. Is this mandatory?  

    Will the transactions be charged to the seller in full then we repay the VAT etc as part of our fees, or will the buyer have in effect 2 charges one to the seller and one to delcampe?

    Many thanks for your time
  • stevehillstamps
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    One other thing that didnt seem quite right :

    For shipments to the UK there should not be an option to opt out, you are the deemed supplier for UK VAT purposes (see "When the special arrangement provision applies" in Link (https) but I'd check this with your accountants etc.
  • @elise
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    One other thing that didnt seem quite right :

    For shipments to the UK there should not be an option to opt out, you are the deemed supplier for UK VAT purposes (see "When the special arrangement provision applies" in Link (https) but I'd check this with your accountants etc.
    Hello,

    Your questions have been submitted to the relevant department.

    We will get back to you as soon as possible.

    Best regards,

    Elise - Customer service
  • stampsnbooks
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    Could I ask what the definition of "professional seller" is in terms of the VAT situation?

    In the UK VAT is only charged by businesses that are VAT registered (ie with a turn-over of £85,000+ p/a) is this the definition of "professional seller" in the case of a seller outside the EU selling to a buyer inside the EU, or is there another definition (& if so, what is it).

    Many thanks for your help @Elise
  • mainlypostcards
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    Could I ask what the definition of "professional seller" is in terms of the VAT situation?

    In the UK VAT is only charged by businesses that are VAT registered (ie with a turn-over of £85,000+ p/a) is this the definition of "professional seller" in the case of a seller outside the EU selling to a buyer inside the EU, or is there another definition (& if so, what is it).

    Many thanks for your help @Elise
    I was wondering about exactly the same thing. I look forward to seeing an answer here.
  • Mark_Titterton_Antique_Photos
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    Does anybody know how we electronically submit the IOSS number on orders from the UK to the EU? I'm not using Delcampe Pay at the moment.

    Thank You
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  • stevehillstamps
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    Does anybody know how we electronically submit the IOSS number on orders from the UK to the EU? I'm not using Delcampe Pay at the moment.

    Thank You
    The other site is recommending using Click and Drop and setting up a seperate trading name for these transactions including the relavent IOSS number.

    They've also warned against using stamps and a written CN22 as the IOSS may not be processed correctly. The buyer may get charged for VAT twice (once by the marketplace, once by incoming customs)
  • stevehillstamps
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    Could I ask what the definition of "professional seller" is in terms of the VAT situation?

    In the UK VAT is only charged by businesses that are VAT registered (ie with a turn-over of £85,000+ p/a) is this the definition of "professional seller" in the case of a seller outside the EU selling to a buyer inside the EU, or is there another definition (& if so, what is it).

    Many thanks for your help @Elise
    My understanding is that this wont affect your UK VAT situation. Its all to do with Import VAT to the EU, which your buyers may have been liable to pay on receipt of a package since Brexit. These new reguations allow low value packages (<150EUR) into the EU to have VAT paid at point of purchase rather than at the point of delivery.

    My understanding is that a professional seller is anyone who buys items to sell (rather than just selling their duplicates/old collections). If anyone is doing this and not marked as a professional seller they are already in breach of the Distance Selling Regulations in both the UK and EU which require that businesses are clearly identified This is because their customers have additional rights compared to a transaction with a private individual. They also need to registered as a business with HMRC.

    Will wait to see what comes back from @Elise
  • Mark_Titterton_Antique_Photos
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    The other site is recommending using Click and Drop and setting up a seperate trading name for these transactions including the relavent IOSS number.

    They've also warned against using stamps and a written CN22 as the IOSS may not be processed correctly. The buyer may get charged for VAT twice (once by the marketplace, once by incoming customs)
    Thanks Steve, I think I will try Click and Drop (I sell on other platforms too). I have always printed my own labels and buy stamps at the Post Office so this is something new to get my head around.

    Do you know if the IOSS is unique for each transaction or is it a case of just setting it up one time only? I was reading that the Click and Drop has not been yet been updated to include a field for the IOSS numbers but I expect this will be sorted if it hasn't already.

    Thanks for your advise, please let me know how you get on.
  • stevehillstamps
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    Thanks Steve, I think I will try Click and Drop (I sell on other platforms too). I have always printed my own labels and buy stamps at the Post Office so this is something new to get my head around.

    Do you know if the IOSS is unique for each transaction or is it a case of just setting it up one time only? I was reading that the Click and Drop has not been yet been updated to include a field for the IOSS numbers but I expect this will be sorted if it hasn't already.

    Thanks for your advise, please let me know how you get on.
    I switched last year to avoid going to the post office during Covid as much (and quicker when I do). I've bought some specialized labels from Amazon to help with shipping and its relatively hassle free.

    The IOSS is like a companys international EU VAT number, it will be a one time set up, but you'll need to set up a separate trading name for each marketplace as you use the marketplace's IOSS rather than your own (or nothing) on the transactions they have paid VAT on. I'll set up Steve Hill Stamps(Delcampe IOSS) or something on my first order afterwards.

    I've seen that the field is already there for manual input (From the RM webiste - If you have an IOSS number, you will be able to add this next to 'European Union' in the 'Pre-registration tax scheme' dropdown in your 'Trading Name' settings page.). The messy part is the electronic links between click and drop and other sites and also having to select the correct trading name for the relavent transactions.
  • @miranda
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    Hi everyone,

    please find here below more information on the new system.

    Delcampe has registered for IOSS and will provide our professional sellers a number to be mentioned on the importation form, informing the Customs that the VAT for importation has already been paid.

    Buyers can either choose to pay import costs directly to Delcampe (meaning the VAT of the country of the buyer + extra 5% administrative fees, not capped, but this will apply to shipments of maximum £135 only) via Delcampe Pay (and only Delcampe Pay) or to go through customs to potentially obtain a reduced rate. As you can see, buyers using Delcampe Pay and agreeing to pay importation costs through Delcampe will have two charges: one for the seller, and one for Delcampe.

    Regards,
    Miranda - Delcampe Customer Service
  • stevehillstamps
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    Many thanks for the information. Will see how this goes on the 1 July. Another good reason to have Delcampe Pay enabled as a payment method!
  • atreidesqh
    atreidesqh 100% (13792x)
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    Hi everyone,

    please find here below more information on the new system.

    Delcampe has registered for IOSS and will provide our professional sellers a number to be mentioned on the importation form, informing the Customs that the VAT for importation has already been paid.

    Buyers can either choose to pay import costs directly to Delcampe (meaning the VAT of the country of the buyer + extra 5% administrative fees, not capped, but this will apply to shipments of maximum £135 only) via Delcampe Pay (and only Delcampe Pay) or to go through customs to potentially obtain a reduced rate. As you can see, buyers using Delcampe Pay and agreeing to pay importation costs through Delcampe will have two charges: one for the seller, and one for Delcampe.

    Regards,
    Miranda - Delcampe Customer Service
    Hello from Italy,

    here the VAT on stamps is 22%, but on the import of stamps is 10%.
    Which rate will Delcampe apply?
  • @miranda
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    @miranda

    516 messaggi

    Belgio

    Hello from Italy,

    here the VAT on stamps is 22%, but on the import of stamps is 10%.
    Which rate will Delcampe apply?
    Hello,

    We will apply the VAT of your country so 22%.
    It is currently not possible for us to know which rate to establish according to the type of items.
    This is why we go for the VAT rate that is applied in the buyer’s country.
    Buyers always have the possibility to go through customs to potentially obtain a reduced VAT rate (as provided for in Directive 2017/2455).

    Regards,
    Miranda
  • fan_at2
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    Ucraina

    And now how to be a seller from the countries of the former USSR? : o

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