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    • Created on 21 Mar 2012 at 13:24
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    What does the caption actually say? All art movements being political, maybe that would help? I've got a load of art history books upstairs, so I'll have a look, but I'm afraid I can't promise anything.
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    What does the caption actually say? All art movements being political, maybe that would help? I've got a load of art history books upstairs, so I'll have a look, but I'm afraid I can't promise anything.
    • Created on 23 Mar 2012 at 07:24
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    This is what Google Translate makes of it:

    I hear at every interval

    silent piece of ...
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    This is what Google Translate makes of it:

    I hear at every interval

    silent piece of ...
    • Created on 23 Mar 2012 at 07:39
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    I'm thinking that the parrot head is a political caricature. Have you tried googling the words parrot, Italy and 1918 together? There may be a personality around at that time who made a quote about silence? Some newspaper headlines may be online.

    You could really do with an Italian to give you a better translation, as my internet translator gave me 3 alternative meanings. It confirmed the word silence, but also suggested 'shut up'.

    To be honest, I'm doubtful that this image has anything to do with 'ART'. As I understand it, in 1918 Italy was a hotbed of radical art and philosophy, and it was all 'extreme', ie... erotic, neurotic, abstracted, distressed, defiant, philosophical. Also, there was a fascination with motion and machinery. Certainly this image is having a poke at something or someone, but to me it seems mischievous rather than profound.

    Hey, that's just my thoughts and I'm no great expert.

    Good luck,

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    I'm thinking that the parrot head is a political caricature. Have you tried googling the words parrot, Italy and 1918 together? There may be a personality around at that time who made a quote about silence? Some newspaper headlines may be online.

    You could really do with an Italian to give you a better translation, as my internet translator gave me 3 alternative meanings. It confirmed the word silence, but also suggested 'shut up'.

    To be honest, I'm doubtful that this image has anything to do with 'ART'. As I understand it, in 1918 Italy was a hotbed of radical art and philosophy, and it was all 'extreme', ie... erotic, neurotic, abstracted, distressed, defiant, philosophical. Also, there was a fascination with motion and machinery. Certainly this image is having a poke at something or someone, but to me it seems mischievous rather than profound.

    Hey, that's just my thoughts and I'm no great expert.

    Good luck,

    • Created on 23 Mar 2012 at 08:10
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    Actually, I'd forgotten something. I THINK 1918 was more about Futurism than Dada. Futurist philosophy did incorporate a certain pre-occupation with SILENCE. The empty space became important, even in the middle of sentences, poems, music, theatre...etc.. - (that's still going on today). So maybe your card was in some way related to Futurism?

    You might check out Filippo Tommaso Marinetti (1876 to 1944). I bet some proper Art historian would be able to recognise immediately if this is a known image. I'm not being much help, sorry.
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    Actually, I'd forgotten something. I THINK 1918 was more about Futurism than Dada. Futurist philosophy did incorporate a certain pre-occupation with SILENCE. The empty space became important, even in the middle of sentences, poems, music, theatre...etc.. - (that's still going on today). So maybe your card was in some way related to Futurism?

    You might check out Filippo Tommaso Marinetti (1876 to 1944). I bet some proper Art historian would be able to recognise immediately if this is a known image. I'm not being much help, sorry.
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    • Created on 23 Mar 2012 at 13:46
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    You're absolutely right! The wonderful thing about research is that there is always something new to learn. Until today I did not understand the parrot/dada thing (my student days being nearly half a century ago), but I've followed your leads and can see exactly what you are saying....Yes...undoubtedly a Dada reference.

    I got as far as Max Ernst, Loplop, and his bird alter-ego....

    But you are right - none of this helps you value your postcard. I guess, for the right collector, it could be very precious.

    Lots of luck, and please let me know any further developments.

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    • Created on 23 Mar 2012 at 13:46
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    Giselle,

    I also had a look at your link. Some interesting stuff there.

    As Porphyryportal said, there is always something new to learn.

    Over the years that I've been here, we have had a few very interesting posts researching postcards. Also, on various occasions when I've been looking for further information in relation to a postcard that has come into my possesion, I've learned a lot.

    However, neither of us has helped you in putting a value to your card - good luck with your attempts.

    Marianne
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    You're absolutely right! The wonderful thing about research is that there is always something new to learn. Until today I did not understand the parrot/dada thing (my student days being nearly half a century ago), but I've followed your leads and can see exactly what you are saying....Yes...undoubtedly a Dada reference.

    I got as far as Max Ernst, Loplop, and his bird alter-ego....

    But you are right - none of this helps you value your postcard. I guess, for the right collector, it could be very precious.

    Lots of luck, and please let me know any further developments.

    • Created on 23 Mar 2012 at 16:08
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