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    Frankrijk

    Hi everybody,

    I have a few US postcards, printed from heavily retouched photographs.
    About when was this kind of cards made?
    Why were they so retouched: out of fashion, or from technical necessity?
    Were they all from photographs such as the mine cards, or could there have been some from drawings, such maybe as the tunnel card?

    Thanks for your help! :help: :znaika:
    I also ask the question on the French forum, just to see... ;)

    Manu
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    Frankrijk

    Hi everybody,

    I have a few US postcards, printed from heavily retouched photographs.
    About when was this kind of cards made?
    Why were they so retouched: out of fashion, or from technical necessity?
    Were they all from photographs such as the mine cards, or could there have been some from drawings, such maybe as the tunnel card?

    Thanks for your help! :help: :znaika:
    I also ask the question on the French forum, just to see... ;)

    Manu
    :beer:
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    • Aangemaakt 14 nov 2006 op 13:19
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    Hi everybody,

    I have a few US postcards, printed from heavily retouched photographs.
    About when was this kind of cards made?
    Why were they so retouched: out of fashion, or from technical necessity?
    Were they all from photographs such as the mine cards, or could there have been some from drawings, such maybe as the tunnel card?

    Thanks for your help! :help: :znaika:
    I also ask the question on the French forum, just to see... ;)

    Manu
    :beer:
    • Aangemaakt 14 nov 2006 op 13:18
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    • Aangemaakt 14 nov 2006 op 16:48
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    Thanks cousin, a very useful website indeed! :pc_user: :applause:
    I just had the idea to check the Detroit-Windsor tunnel construction date: it was opened in 1930, so the one cent stamp era went a bit further than you thought, or the publishers were too lazy to make the correction.
    Link (http)

    Our friend Naguito from the Caribbean somewhere thinks about the 40's and 50's.
    He shows a funny example of color swapping on the French forum.

    Never believe anything you see on a postcard... :znaika:

    Later caïman,
    Manu
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    Thanks cousin, a very useful website indeed! :pc_user: :applause:
    I just had the idea to check the Detroit-Windsor tunnel construction date: it was opened in 1930, so the one cent stamp era went a bit further than you thought, or the publishers were too lazy to make the correction.
    Link (http)

    Our friend Naguito from the Caribbean somewhere thinks about the 40's and 50's.
    He shows a funny example of color swapping on the French forum.

    Never believe anything you see on a postcard... :znaika:

    Later caïman,
    Manu
    :beer:
    • Aangemaakt 14 nov 2006 op 17:39
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    • Aangemaakt 14 nov 2006 op 18:14
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    Salut cousin,
    Definitely a great website that you sent me to! Have a look at this Colorado collection:
    Link (http)
    Even your pet gator is there, probably cared for some mule sandwich?
    Link (http)

    See ya
    Manu
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    Salut cousin,
    Definitely a great website that you sent me to! Have a look at this Colorado collection:
    Link (http)
    Even your pet gator is there, probably cared for some mule sandwich?
    Link (http)

    See ya
    Manu
    :applause:
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    • Aangemaakt 15 nov 2006 op 06:21
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    How come we always end up talking food? :D
    I don't even cook by the way, or so little...
    Well, here they are!
    Link (http)
    I knew the French word "rutabaga" and that evokes wartime memories (not mine, much much too young), the whole country seems to remember they ate not much else for 4 years... so I never had a chance to taste!
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    How come we always end up talking food? :D
    I don't even cook by the way, or so little...
    Well, here they are!
    Link (http)
    I knew the French word "rutabaga" and that evokes wartime memories (not mine, much much too young), the whole country seems to remember they ate not much else for 4 years... so I never had a chance to taste!
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    • Aangemaakt 15 nov 2006 op 06:56
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    • Aangemaakt 15 nov 2006 op 12:44
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    Hi LMDC,
    Thanks a lot, in just one day I got a very good course in US postcard history!
    I'm not selling them, by the way, not mines and tunnels!
    I had bought them along with a few others on my (only) visit to the States, somewhere in Virginia, 12 yrs ago.
    Let me know when YOU put some up for sale!
    How's that shop doing?

    We also have some "linen" cards here, I believe we call them "cartes toilées", I don't know about the dates but they might be older than in the US, as I have a few which traveled in the 1900's. Here's one, looks like Cajun's bayou doesn't it? I don't think the card is from 1881, even if the photograph was.

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    • Aangemaakt 15 nov 2006 op 13:07
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    Ok, I hadn't got it!!!
    And I guess in the bayou the "torpilleur des rues" would drive around in a gator-drawn flat bottom boat!
    :D :D :D
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    Ok, I hadn't got it!!!
    And I guess in the bayou the "torpilleur des rues" would drive around in a gator-drawn flat bottom boat!
    :D :D :D
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    Hi LMDC,
    Thanks a lot, in just one day I got a very good course in US postcard history!
    I'm not selling them, by the way, not mines and tunnels!
    I had bought them along with a few others on my (only) visit to the States, somewhere in Virginia, 12 yrs ago.
    Let me know when YOU put some up for sale!
    How's that shop doing?

    We also have some "linen" cards here, I believe we call them "cartes toilées", I don't know about the dates but they might be older than in the US, as I have a few which traveled in the 1900's. Here's one, looks like Cajun's bayou doesn't it? I don't think the card is from 1881, even if the photograph was.

    Take care!
    Manu
    :beer:
    • Aangemaakt 15 nov 2006 op 13:06
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    Manug, there's a great book called Linen Postcards, Images of the American Dream by Werther and Mott. There are several pages in it showing exactly how linens were designed and made. Very interesting.

    Some US linens are about as beautiful as postcards can ge, in my opinion.
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    Manug, there's a great book called Linen Postcards, Images of the American Dream by Werther and Mott. There are several pages in it showing exactly how linens were designed and made. Very interesting.

    Some US linens are about as beautiful as postcards can ge, in my opinion.
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    • Aangemaakt 15 nov 2006 op 20:09
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    These cards certainly are beautiful, though I must admit that, as my main interest is in the subject not the postcard, I do prefer the sharp B&W "phototypie" prints, they can be so rich in details!

    LMDC, if you think "street torpedo boat" was a mean job, I believe the guy must have been grateful every day of his life that he was not a "vidangeur": at least people brought it to him, he didn't have to go and get it in one of these "fosses d'aisances" pits ! :o
    They had pumps for this in the 1900's, but a few years before they had to climb down into it... and I don't tell you about the dangers.
    Honestly, I don't think our worst memory of the worst smell in our lives can even slightly compare to what it must have been to work in sewers in the 1800's... or even live around!

    I had sent a post about "le torpilleur des rues" on the forum before: I wonder (and still don't know) why there are many cards of this job, but only from the city of Toulon, I never saw one from elsewhere! Maybe they were more productive down there on the coast, thanks to sunshine and "pastis" :whitewine: ?
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    These cards certainly are beautiful, though I must admit that, as my main interest is in the subject not the postcard, I do prefer the sharp B&W "phototypie" prints, they can be so rich in details!

    LMDC, if you think "street torpedo boat" was a mean job, I believe the guy must have been grateful every day of his life that he was not a "vidangeur": at least people brought it to him, he didn't have to go and get it in one of these "fosses d'aisances" pits ! :o
    They had pumps for this in the 1900's, but a few years before they had to climb down into it... and I don't tell you about the dangers.
    Honestly, I don't think our worst memory of the worst smell in our lives can even slightly compare to what it must have been to work in sewers in the 1800's... or even live around!

    I had sent a post about "le torpilleur des rues" on the forum before: I wonder (and still don't know) why there are many cards of this job, but only from the city of Toulon, I never saw one from elsewhere! Maybe they were more productive down there on the coast, thanks to sunshine and "pastis" :whitewine: ?
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    • Aangemaakt 16 nov 2006 op 06:41
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    Salut cousin,
    Burn it, that's what you did? Now shame on you! You could have grown anything with it, as any asian knows... well I guess they wouldn't let you do some gardening under the circumstances. :(
    We tried that on an urban scale in the 1890's, when we shifted from "fosse d'aisances" to sewers, and it worked really well (have a look at those peas!). That is, until some bloke invented the automobile... because from then on, the sewers would carry to these nice fields and crops all the pollution that goes with it, hydrocarbons and heavy metals... and no-one thought about that for about 80 years!!!
    It has been less than 10 years that the sewage farms have been banned, and now we are left with acre upon acre of contaminated land 15 miles from Paris... :crying2:

    OK, back to more funny stuff: there's a nice New Orleans postcard on our side:
    Link (http)
    Later caïman,
    Manu :beer:
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    Salut cousin,
    Burn it, that's what you did? Now shame on you! You could have grown anything with it, as any asian knows... well I guess they wouldn't let you do some gardening under the circumstances. :(
    We tried that on an urban scale in the 1890's, when we shifted from "fosse d'aisances" to sewers, and it worked really well (have a look at those peas!). That is, until some bloke invented the automobile... because from then on, the sewers would carry to these nice fields and crops all the pollution that goes with it, hydrocarbons and heavy metals... and no-one thought about that for about 80 years!!!
    It has been less than 10 years that the sewage farms have been banned, and now we are left with acre upon acre of contaminated land 15 miles from Paris... :crying2:

    OK, back to more funny stuff: there's a nice New Orleans postcard on our side:
    Link (http)
    Later caïman,
    Manu :beer:
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    These cards certainly are beautiful, though I must admit that, as my main interest is in the subject not the postcard, I do prefer the sharp B&W "phototypie" prints, they can be so rich in details!

    LMDC, if you think "street torpedo boat" was a mean job, I believe the guy must have been grateful every day of his life that he was not a "vidangeur": at least people brought it to him, he didn't have to go and get it in one of these "fosses d'aisances" pits ! :o
    They had pumps for this in the 1900's, but a few years before they had to climb down into it... and I don't tell you about the dangers.
    Honestly, I don't think our worst memory of the worst smell in our lives can even slightly compare to what it must have been to work in sewers in the 1800's... or even live around!

    I had sent a post about "le torpilleur des rues" on the forum before: I wonder (and still don't know) why there are many cards of this job, but only from the city of Toulon, I never saw one from elsewhere! Maybe they were more productive down there on the coast, thanks to sunshine and "pastis" :whitewine: ?
    • Aangemaakt 16 nov 2006 op 03:15
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    Ok, let's get back to the topic at hand: postcards. . .

    Manug, can you tell me, exactement, what it is that they're asking for on the French forum? How to date these cards (and what is 'these cards)? What the earliest colorized real photo PC is? what the earliest use of a certain printing process is (and what is this 'printing process' in English)? I imagine that one of us can help answer the questions.

    We're not all hamburger/Cocacola-pushing Americans! ;)
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    Ok, let's get back to the topic at hand: postcards. . .

    Manug, can you tell me, exactement, what it is that they're asking for on the French forum? How to date these cards (and what is 'these cards)? What the earliest colorized real photo PC is? what the earliest use of a certain printing process is (and what is this 'printing process' in English)? I imagine that one of us can help answer the questions.

    We're not all hamburger/Cocacola-pushing Americans! ;)
    • Aangemaakt 16 nov 2006 op 19:54
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    • Aangemaakt 16 nov 2006 op 20:57
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    It's the one titled "Cartes postales US"; you'll see my name twice. It started as a discussion about the US propensity to re-do PCs with obviously fake colorization or drawing in of features--several examples are shown. I'm not sure if they're talking about a specific printing process. They seem to show many 'white border era' and linen cards. I think it has to do with that 'colored dot' process--you know the dots you see under a magnifier. They don't seem to be discussing those (what I associate with) WWI boy/girl colorized French photo cards. I correspond with Soka3 from time to time and she(?) uses the term 'vrai photo couleur' but this doesn't seem to mean a 'colored RPPC'. . .

    Anyway, the main question is "when was the first XXX produced in the US" What is "XXX"? je ne sais pas.

    Maybe the cajun cousin can help? :)

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