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antonkukaev 100% (523x)

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Lettonia
Good afternoon everyone!
I can not find information about these brands in the catalogs.
Both have an examination stamp BOTHE BPP. Please help.
I will be very grateful!
- Creato 22 ago 2023 a 04:42 (#1591821)
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joulie 100% (2717x)

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Francia
Hello.
Michel Katalog lists them in the "Germany" volume (German Colonies→Togo→French Occupation)
Link (https)
- Creato 22 ago 2023 a 06:08 (#1591863)
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worldphila 100% (1858x)

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Israele
antonkukaev

Good afternoon everyone!
I can not find information about these brands in the catalogs.
Both have an examination stamp BOTHE BPP. Please help.
I will be very grateful!

Creato 22 ago 2023 a 04:42

#1591821
A partly answer
The 80 Pf is 1914 Scott 162-700 $
Or 1915 Scott 171A-65000$
About the 3Pf . Scott has a 1914 picture without a Scott no.
It could be 1915 Scott 164 without the added overprinted price of 5c.
Valued 24000 $. Or it could be 1914 Scott 151 without the added overprinted 05. Valued 80$.
You have to look for more information. And, recommended, to add another expert signature.
Most probably-a German expert.
- Creato 22 ago 2023 a 06:28 (#1591875)
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joulie 100% (2717x)

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Francia
Correction of my first message:
The 3 Pf is not listed by Michel. Most likely a forgery
Here is Michel # 1
- Creato 22 ago 2023 a 06:45 (#1591878)
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antonkukaev 100% (523x)

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Lettonia
worldphila

A partly answer
The 80 Pf is 1914 Scott 162-700 $
Or 1915 Scott 171A-65000$
About the 3Pf . Scott has a 1914 picture without a Scott no.
It could be 1915 Scott 164 without the added overprinted price of 5c.
Valued 24000 $. Or it could be 1914 Scott 151 without the added overprinted 05. Valued 80$.
You have to look for more information. And, recommended, to add another expert signature.
Most probably-a German expert.

Creato 22 ago 2023 a 06:28

#1591875
I thank you for your help. Sometimes it seems to me that Michel does not fully reflect the period of occupation of the German colonies by the Allies. Perhaps the problem is in the lost archives of the German mail. Don't know. I'll go with Scott. I sincerely thank you.
Andrei Kavskii
- Creato 22 ago 2023 a 06:47 (#1591881)
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antonkukaev 100% (523x)

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Lettonia
joulie

Hello.
Michel Katalog lists them in the "Germany" volume (German Colonies→Togo→French Occupation)
Link (https)

Creato 22 ago 2023 a 06:08

#1591863
Michel is silent on this matter. Like a fish. Thank you for your help.
- Creato 22 ago 2023 a 06:49 (#1591884)
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richnoddystamps 100% (34809x)
Conto chiuso

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Regno Unito
Very likely forged overprints on genuine stamp. It is not unheard of for signatures to be applied to genuine stamps by the expert, and then a forged overprint added later. This is prevalent on early Turkish overprints. Or the signature itself has been forged!

Useful info here

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Here are forged signatures

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- Creato 27 nov 2023 a 12:58 (#1636629)
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moonstone 100% (55287x)

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antonkukaev

Good afternoon everyone!
I can not find information about these brands in the catalogs.
Both have an examination stamp BOTHE BPP. Please help.
I will be very grateful!

Creato 22 ago 2023 a 04:42

#1591821
Stanley Gibbons catalogue these as:

3pf. SG H1 1914, prince mint £150
80pf. SG H9 1914, price mint £300

The fact that they have a prufer mark on the reverse would seem to indicate that it has been examined by an expert and not marked as a forgery
- Creato 27 nov 2023 a 13:39 (#1636656)
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joulie 100% (2717x)

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Francia
Here is SG H1. Not the same language
- Creato 27 nov 2023 a 14:35 (#1636674)
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4margins 100% (16592x)

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These are dubious overprints, which I would normally dismiss as fakes, bar the worrying "Bothe BPP" mark on the back which may indicate some other special status.
For the "franco-anglaise" overprints, the 3pf value was not issued without an "05" surcharge.
For both of these items the typeface is clearly of the heavier 1915 form listed by Michel in the 8 to 19 set, for which no 80pf value exists and no unsurcharged 3pf value exists.
You should regard the Michel catalogue as the authoritative source on these, which as it does not list them suggests that these are forged overprints.
- Creato 12 feb 2024 a 07:24 (#1681210)
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