Artist signature identity

Hi could this be an early artist signed Raphael kirchner?RK any info on postcard thanks Gavin

Neither the initial F (in FRK) nor the style match IMHO.

Even museums don't seem to know who F.R.K. was, see Lien (https)

Hi thanks for the info Gavin

This book: Lien (https)

also says: "unidentified monogram"

Hi thanks for looking

No, this is not the signature of Raphael Kirchner.
This signature, "RK" in a box, belongs to the artist Raphael Tuck. He was a British publisher known for his postcards and other printed materials in the late 19th and early 20th centuries.

Thanks for replying

I asked google if this was RK Raphael Kirchner.? or a postcard publisher. the answer above was the first time I asked just if it was Raphael Kirchner.. Here's what it said when I asked if it was a publisher as well.
Yes, this is the logo for Raphael Tuck & Sons, a postcard publisher. The "RK" stands for Raphael Kirchner, one of their artists.

Sorry, but feeding AI with those questions just gives a load of BS, as is exempflied in lesubjonctif's answers.

I wasn't sure that Google got it right so I asked another AI and here's what it said:
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could this be an early artist signed Raphael kirchner

2025-01-27 00:55:16

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Yes, it appears that the image you shared might indeed be an early work by the artist Raphael Kirchner. The initials "RK" in the corner, along with the style of the artwork, suggest this could be one of his pieces. Raphael Kirchner was known for his vintage poster art and illustrations, particularly during the early 20th century. His distinctive style often included beautiful, stylized depictions of women, and he frequently used similar signatures.

If you're considering the piece as a collectible or for research purposes, it could be helpful to look for additional context, such as the exact period or the artwork's association with specific projects or exhibitions during Kirchner's career.

2025-01-27 00:55:16

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what does his initials look like on other work?

2025-01-27 00:56:18

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Raphael Kirchner's signature typically appears as "RK," often in a stylized form, and sometimes accompanied by a small flourish or decorative element. His initials are usually quite clear, but the exact look can vary depending on the artwork's style and period.

Here are some common characteristics of his signatures:

"RK" in Block or Serif Letters: Often, the "R" and "K" are sharp and have a somewhat blocky appearance, though they may still maintain some elegance.

The "K" May Be Stylized: The "K" might have a loop or flourish on the right leg of the letter, giving it a more artistic flair.

Placement of Signature: The signature is frequently placed in one of the lower corners of the artwork, sometimes inside a square or rectangle, as seen in the image you shared. This framing can be a hallmark of Kirchner's early work.

Initials in a Box: Some of Kirchner's works feature his initials enclosed in a square or rectangular box, just like in the piece you've shown.

Signature Size and Discreteness: In some works, especially early in his career, the initials may be small and subtle, almost as part of the design.

For comparison, you can look up examples of his posters or illustrated postcards to spot variations in the style of his signature across different periods of his career.

Would you like to see some examples of his work with those signatures?

2025-01-27 00:56:18

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yes

2025-01-27 00:56:33

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Raphael Kirchner's signature typically features his initials, "RK," in a stylized form. In some of his works, the initials are enclosed within a rectangular box, as seen in the image you provided. This boxed signature is a distinctive feature of his early works.

For example, in his series of postcards titled "Sommerfrisch," Kirchner's signature appears within a rectangular box, similar to the one in your image.

Additionally, in his illustration for "One Thousand and One Nights – The Surprise," Kirchner's signature is prominently displayed at the top of the artwork.

These examples demonstrate the consistency and style of Kirchner's signature across different works

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where can I find those examples?

2025-01-27 00:57:48

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To find examples of Raphael Kirchner's works with his signature, here are a few sources where you can explore his artwork:

Dellaquila.net – This website has a collection of Raphael Kirchner's postcards, including the "Sommerfrisch" series where his signature is shown enclosed in a rectangular box. You can check out his works on this site by visiting Dellaquila.net.

Grapefruit Moon Gallery – This site features a variety of original art posters, including works by Raphael Kirchner. You may find his "One Thousand and One Nights – The Surprise" illustration and others with his signature. You can visit their gallery at Grapefruit Moon Gallery.

eBay and Delcampe – If you're interested in purchasing or viewing signed Kirchner artwork, these auction and collectible websites often feature original postcards and prints by Raphael Kirchner.

Art Auction Houses – Major auction houses like Christie's and Sotheby’s sometimes feature works by Raphael Kirchner, especially his vintage posters and illustrations.

Library and Museum Collections – Museums with collections of early 20th-century art, such as the Museum of Modern Art (MoMA) in New York, may also have works by Kirchner on display. Searching through their digital collections can help you see more signed pieces.

These resources will help you find and explore examples of his signature and artworks. If you're looking for something specific, let me know!

Thanks for the info

At least I said where the answer came from, and I try to always say that.

AI is useful in that it provides clues about the image.
You can use it to find the image online in other places, it can translate the title and find places where you can find the artist work.

It is not always accurate, so it is best to try various other AI using other types of searches.

Asking with a partial image will give you erroneous results. Using the full front of the card and stating it is a postcard always gives better results.

Don't lead it with questions, just say describe this postcard and you get hints based on things you may not have noticed on the card.

Of course, using the front and back of the card will get better results. When I uploaded the partial images included in this posting and asked who the artist was it was unable to answer and said the image was not complete and it could not recognize it. I then asked if it was ... blah blah blah and because I was leading it into an answer, I was looking for it replied with various information depending on what I asked.

If you read the longer answer I gave it is more objective and provides places to compare the works to see if it is in fact the artist in question. AI is not perfect and is not going to answer questions directly and not always accurate, but if you try various sites and asking in a general sense you can find what you are looking for.

You can use different search engines and sites and come up with different information and all the results are not always accurate. It gives you results on what you asked, literally.

It is a machine and can't read minds and does not read into questions. It reads a question and spits out answers. You have to know how to ask and have some idea of what you are looking for to get better results.