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    • Posté le 12 mars 2024 à 14:05
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    Sounds like the buyer is paying a hell of a lot more. I think this will turn off buyers who expect to pay a lot less.
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    Sounds like the buyer is paying a hell of a lot more. I think this will turn off buyers who expect to pay a lot less.
    • Posté le 12 mars 2024 à 15:27
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    • Posté le 12 mars 2024 à 16:05
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    Nobody is paying with Mangopay !!

    99% by Paypal for me, therefore there are no savings to be passed on !
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    • Posté le 12 mars 2024 à 16:25
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    Is this bill serious? Where are the new fixed costs for sellers, which for me with the same services amount to 50 euros per month (600 euros per year)? Where are the increased PayPal fees when currently not just 60%, but 90% pay using this method? If you honestly calculate these costs, you actually have to increase the price and no longer just estimate 6 euros but, for example, 6.70, on which the new purchase fee is then added.
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    Is this bill serious? Where are the new fixed costs for sellers, which for me with the same services amount to 50 euros per month (600 euros per year)? Where are the increased PayPal fees when currently not just 60%, but 90% pay using this method? If you honestly calculate these costs, you actually have to increase the price and no longer just estimate 6 euros but, for example, 6.70, on which the new purchase fee is then added.
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    Nobody is paying with Mangopay !!

    99% by Paypal for me, therefore there are no savings to be passed on !
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  • hoatzinstamps
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    A new FAQ has been published (in French only surprise suprise)

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    It includes the following gem of PR speak, aparently they belive that the changes will benefit sale of low value items. Of course it does not mention the 30 cent buyer fee!

    Won't the new pricing harm the sale and purchase of low-value items?
    Currently, if a seller wants to sell an item for 10 cents, this is not possible because the cost of the commission is higher than the amount of the item. The seller would then sell at a loss. Few low-cost items are therefore offered.

    With the introduction of the new pricing system, where platform fees are borne by the buyer, the seller has the option of listing an item for 10 cents and actually receiving that amount, in addition to any shipping costs.

    This change therefore benefits the sale of low-value items.
    • Posté le 20 mars 2024 à 13:54
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    I am interested to see how discounts will be presented and handled.

    An extreme example to demonstrate my point:
    I price my item @ 3p + Delcampe fee say 28p = listed price 31p.
    Buyer asks for discount of 15% reducing sale price to say 26p.

    What happens then I wonder?

    I can't imagine the decision process when there are multiple items to consider at all sort of price levels!

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    Royaume-Uni

    I am interested to see how discounts will be presented and handled.

    An extreme example to demonstrate my point:
    I price my item @ 3p + Delcampe fee say 28p = listed price 31p.
    Buyer asks for discount of 15% reducing sale price to say 26p.

    What happens then I wonder?

    I can't imagine the decision process when there are multiple items to consider at all sort of price levels!

    Alan Catherall
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    • Posté le 21 mars 2024 à 03:43
    • #1705259
    On one of the Q and A's they said the discount percentage would only be applied to your selling price, and then the FVF would be adjusted. The buyer item fee is fixed. For example

    £1 item, buyer item fee 28p buyer FVF 10p. Total price paid £1.38

    if you accept a 50% discount :

    50p item, buyer item fee 28p buyer FVF 5p Total price paid 0.83
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    Royaume-Uni

    On one of the Q and A's they said the discount percentage would only be applied to your selling price, and then the FVF would be adjusted. The buyer item fee is fixed. For example

    £1 item, buyer item fee 28p buyer FVF 10p. Total price paid £1.38

    if you accept a 50% discount :

    50p item, buyer item fee 28p buyer FVF 5p Total price paid 0.83
    • Posté le 21 mars 2024 à 05:00
    • #1705349
    I'll have to wait and see. That doesn't work for me.
    If the buyer sees the price as £1.38 and asks for a discount of 50% then the buyer will expect to pay 69p.
    The buyer never sees my price of £1!
    This has hallmarks of 'confusion', 'disappointment' and 'nightmare'.

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    I'll have to wait and see. That doesn't work for me.
    If the buyer sees the price as £1.38 and asks for a discount of 50% then the buyer will expect to pay 69p.
    The buyer never sees my price of £1!
    This has hallmarks of 'confusion', 'disappointment' and 'nightmare'.

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    • Posté le 21 mars 2024 à 06:38
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    The buyer will see your price somewhere. it will work like a ticketing site where you get given a huge sum with 4 different charges (in new Delcampe that will be Seller Price, Buyer Item fee, Buyer Item FVF, Seller Shipping).

    Ticketing agencies are of course loved for their clear pricing, just as Delcampe will be!
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    The buyer will see your price somewhere. it will work like a ticketing site where you get given a huge sum with 4 different charges (in new Delcampe that will be Seller Price, Buyer Item fee, Buyer Item FVF, Seller Shipping).

    Ticketing agencies are of course loved for their clear pricing, just as Delcampe will be!
    • Posté le 21 mars 2024 à 07:09
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    OK, but I thought I saw in some document from Delcampe or a response to a Support question that I raised that there would only be one price shown. I guess I am confused and will have to wait until the 'thing' is rolled out.

    Alan Catherall
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    Royaume-Uni

    OK, but I thought I saw in some document from Delcampe or a response to a Support question that I raised that there would only be one price shown. I guess I am confused and will have to wait until the 'thing' is rolled out.

    Alan Catherall
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    • Posté le 21 mars 2024 à 07:27
    • #1705448
    If I recall correctly, the search page will show one price (The total price the buyer will pay - legally an advert has got to show the price a customer will typically pay), but the item page and invoice will have the breakdown I think.

    But yes unless Delcampe publish screenshots before the rollout we will have to wait and see.
  • 4margins
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    There is a lot of talk on here about the impact of fees on low value items. The key to this is understanding that collectors, like myself, want those low value items just as much as any other, and will readily pay more than the paltry catalogue price for an item we want. For an item that I really need that is catalogued at 20 pence or cents, I am not going to be deterred from buying it at 80 pence or cents, particularly if its a shade or perf variant that I want.
    What would deter me is to find the item I want bunched up with a load of other "cheap" items that I don't want in a grouped lot for 3 pounds or euros. Grouping such items together in job lots is not philately, it is box shifting, and should be avoided at all times. Leave that sort of practice to the amateurs!
  • greggm
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    Interesting comments,which I agree with. I think the time has come for both buyers and sellers to use their
    prefered catalogues with a different view. Scott and Gibbons show low value retail prices at 25 cents and 10p.Michel the same thing.
    This new online selling and buying reality makes those prices irrelevant. I am currently reducing my old stock,bloody time consuming. However I need to make room for higher priced items. Goodbye to items under $1. I still believe that low priced items are the bread and butter for sellers and Delcampe will feel their decision,we"ll see.I sell a lot of low to medium priced items per order. Some buyers look for volume and load up with inexpensive items.Others pick and choose what they need.
    I have found very little success in grouped items.
    My big problem is that as sellers we rent this space to sell. And as such we should bear the costs of the "overhead"
    and the buyer should not be be effected at all. In what retail environment are there levies charged to a buyer? If I were a buyer here I would definetly go elsewhere. Lets see what happens...
    • Posté le 11 mars 2024 à 14:38
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    My thoughts exactly, I have been with Delcampe for many years, I am a private seller just offloading my own collection. My fees to Delcampe range from between £50 - 120 and as such this would appear to be a good deal they are offering. However the above fees were dependent on my sales which for this month are almost non existent. I have never complained to them about the fees because if there fee was high it meant I had made good sales. I have over 40,000 items listed so cannot reduce to get below the 10k mark so have no choice but to pay the new fees. At the moment if I was having to pay that fee today I would be out of pocket.

    It always seemed right that as the shopkeeper I paid for the shop and overheads. The buyer needs to see an attractive price tag not one hugely inflated as is the case. It all worked well so why change it, I do not think the change benefits the buyer or the seller and with such a drop of in sales might not even benefit Delcampe but only time will tell.

    I was a collector for over sixty years and the single stamp was the ones I often wanted. The one missing from that set, and not always the top value. With a set missing one stamp already did I really want to buy the whole set again so I would end up with a full set and, yes you guessed it, a set missing one stamp.

    Please Delcampe go back to the way it was before too many sellers and buyers leave the site.
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    Certainly buyers don't like having to purchase other stamps to get the one they want. This often leads to relisting the stamp for them that they want as a solo. A lot of fiddling around. I like to sell them what they want and my collectors pay to get what they want. They often want several items and that is a good idea as shipping costs are a single charge for all the items. Who wants to lose that advantage with a lot junk in the envelope, and repeating that to get the items they want. Care has to be taken to ensure the collector does actually get to spend their money on what they want. Selling lots of junk to sell one good item is a loser for all.
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    Certainly buyers don't like having to purchase other stamps to get the one they want. This often leads to relisting the stamp for them that they want as a solo. A lot of fiddling around. I like to sell them what they want and my collectors pay to get what they want. They often want several items and that is a good idea as shipping costs are a single charge for all the items. Who wants to lose that advantage with a lot junk in the envelope, and repeating that to get the items they want. Care has to be taken to ensure the collector does actually get to spend their money on what they want. Selling lots of junk to sell one good item is a loser for all.
    • Posté le 27 avr. 2024 à 15:51
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    Interesting thoughts.

    I don't think anyone is suggesting large 'junk' lots as a replacement for low value singles, but something has to change with the large item fee, and the new store fees (that are he equivilant to 6p per year insertion fee per item at the shop boundries - of course decreasing by up to 90% as you increase stock). With my previous sellthrough rate, my lowest value 10p lots become loss makers with that.

    Additional purchases are going to become less. Someone sees a 38p stamp (10p seller) they really want so they buy it. They see another 10p cat value stamp they dont have yet (but have not been looking for) in the sellers store for 38p. They are a lot less likley to buy it that the 25p min item I was listing previously, it may come in the next mixed lot they purchase after all.

    Focussed grouping can be beneficial, complete sets, year sets, etc. I used to list partial definitive sets on the other site prior to moving to delcampe (where I changed to list singly). I'm now changing back to partial sets of lower cat value stamps, with the higher cat values listed as singles to keep the partial set lot price low.

    I've never had anyone request a single stamp from a grouping in over 10 years of selling. I'd split a partial lot, or list a duplicate value from my stock if requested, but wouldnt split a complete set.
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    Interesting thoughts.

    I don't think anyone is suggesting large 'junk' lots as a replacement for low value singles, but something has to change with the large item fee, and the new store fees (that are he equivilant to 6p per year insertion fee per item at the shop boundries - of course decreasing by up to 90% as you increase stock). With my previous sellthrough rate, my lowest value 10p lots become loss makers with that.

    Additional purchases are going to become less. Someone sees a 38p stamp (10p seller) they really want so they buy it. They see another 10p cat value stamp they dont have yet (but have not been looking for) in the sellers store for 38p. They are a lot less likley to buy it that the 25p min item I was listing previously, it may come in the next mixed lot they purchase after all.

    Focussed grouping can be beneficial, complete sets, year sets, etc. I used to list partial definitive sets on the other site prior to moving to delcampe (where I changed to list singly). I'm now changing back to partial sets of lower cat value stamps, with the higher cat values listed as singles to keep the partial set lot price low.

    I've never had anyone request a single stamp from a grouping in over 10 years of selling. I'd split a partial lot, or list a duplicate value from my stock if requested, but wouldnt split a complete set.
    • Posté le 28 avr. 2024 à 01:58
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    Like you, I won't split a complete set, however as it was common in the past for collectors to be sold, and to buy, part sets of lower values, in Br. Commonwealth terms say definitives up to 1/-, then I would often offer such part sets as is, and then higher values singly (providing, of course, they did not add up to a complete set). Any duplicates of lower values would generally be offered singly, particularly if they were listed shades, or later reissues, of a value.

    I have found this to be as good a way as any to sell such material - generally single higher values sell as such OK, as collectors are more often missing a particuar high value, a 2/6d or 5/- for example. Singles of top values generally sell well.
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    I'm not a stamp collector. But if so, I would probably buy for small amounts, which used to be 50 cents and are now 80 cents, if I miss the item. I would have more problems with an item that used to cost 200 euros and now costs 220 euros. I would probably look elsewhere first to see if I could save the 20 euros somewhere.
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    Interesting thoughts.

    I don't think anyone is suggesting large 'junk' lots as a replacement for low value singles, but something has to change with the large item fee, and the new store fees (that are he equivilant to 6p per year insertion fee per item at the shop boundries - of course decreasing by up to 90% as you increase stock). With my previous sellthrough rate, my lowest value 10p lots become loss makers with that.

    Additional purchases are going to become less. Someone sees a 38p stamp (10p seller) they really want so they buy it. They see another 10p cat value stamp they dont have yet (but have not been looking for) in the sellers store for 38p. They are a lot less likley to buy it that the 25p min item I was listing previously, it may come in the next mixed lot they purchase after all.

    Focussed grouping can be beneficial, complete sets, year sets, etc. I used to list partial definitive sets on the other site prior to moving to delcampe (where I changed to list singly). I'm now changing back to partial sets of lower cat value stamps, with the higher cat values listed as singles to keep the partial set lot price low.

    I've never had anyone request a single stamp from a grouping in over 10 years of selling. I'd split a partial lot, or list a duplicate value from my stock if requested, but wouldnt split a complete set.
    • Posté le 28 avr. 2024 à 01:58
    • #1733672
    Hello,
    Buyers have to educate themselves. . When missing a single stamp in order to have a complete set, buyers have to expect to pay more that a few pennies. Either it is important to buyers to have a complete set, then pay what it is worth, regardless of catalogue value, or do without and stare at an empty space on the album page. If buyers are not ready to pay a fair price, the offerings for low catalogue-value stamps will simply disappear.
    François
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    Well almost one month in and How is it going, , Sales reduced?, buyers bulking at the 0.30p chucked on to their bill per item,? Upon Ebay's implementation for their new fee structure a few years back sellers in the stamps and And Smaller items area of the site managed to get the fees reduced to around 10p for a registered business, I am new so my concern does not relate to me per say,

    But you seem to have some really good sellers on the site who have dedicated a lot of time to their stores and listings with some really nice stamps and cards, I find it hard that these sellers do not seem to be getting a little extra help,

    As they are the driving force of the site without these bigger sellers it becomes only a matter of time

    I have noticed that most selling single stamps or cards only have a few pictures per listing, Could you not somehow Reduce the 30p to around to around 10/12p And add a flat rate for going over 10/15 picture say 20/30p. This helps you with server fees and reduces the burden to buyer and seller with the 30p charge ?

    Any how good luck Thanks Samantha
  • sammlerkalle
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    Delcampe Team

    Well almost one month in and How is it going, , Sales reduced?, buyers bulking at the 0.30p chucked on to their bill per item,? Upon Ebay's implementation for their new fee structure a few years back sellers in the stamps and And Smaller items area of the site managed to get the fees reduced to around 10p for a registered business, I am new so my concern does not relate to me per say,

    But you seem to have some really good sellers on the site who have dedicated a lot of time to their stores and listings with some really nice stamps and cards, I find it hard that these sellers do not seem to be getting a little extra help,

    As they are the driving force of the site without these bigger sellers it becomes only a matter of time

    I have noticed that most selling single stamps or cards only have a few pictures per listing, Could you not somehow Reduce the 30p to around to around 10/12p And add a flat rate for going over 10/15 picture say 20/30p. This helps you with server fees and reduces the burden to buyer and seller with the 30p charge ?

    Any how good luck Thanks Samantha
    • Posté le 29 avr. 2024 à 05:33
    • #1734446
    Yes, reducing the fees would be good, because buyers are not stupid and know that most items are available elsewhere without such fees, therefore cheaper and with the same quality. But that won't happen. Delcampe needs the money to finance the supposedly “fee-free” Mangopay. Delcampe wants to collect its fees automatically, and unfortunately the buyers then have to pay for this luxury.
  • worldphila
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    Hello,
    Buyers have to educate themselves. . When missing a single stamp in order to have a complete set, buyers have to expect to pay more that a few pennies. Either it is important to buyers to have a complete set, then pay what it is worth, regardless of catalogue value, or do without and stare at an empty space on the album page. If buyers are not ready to pay a fair price, the offerings for low catalogue-value stamps will simply disappear.
    François
    • Posté le 28 avr. 2024 à 12:15
    • #1734011
    Sorry but in my mind.
    Too many low value stamps are offered on Delcampe.
    Many offer the same low value stamps-3 and more times.
    In German we call these stamps as Massenware (or too many in the stamps market).
    In my club every one can buy these stamps for 10 cents and even less. And at this price you can buy even better single stamps upto 3 Euro catalog price.
    I have thousands of these stamps (that I don't need) but I don't like to sell low price stamps in my club or on Delcampe.

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