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    Dear Kotiec,


    We are aware that there are many fakes, fantasy labels, etc.. on the website. We are trying our very best to enforce the rules concerning these items, but since there are so many of them, it takes some time. As has already been suggested, I advise you to make use of the "Report item" link found on each item page to report any fakes and fantasy labels to us. Doing this will enable us to act faster. Your reports may not get treated the same day, but I assure you that they will get treated. We do care.


    Kind regards,

    Dimitri from the Delcampe Team

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    • Posté le 20 mars 2012 à 16:11
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    • Posté le 20 mars 2012 à 17:36
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    If you come across blatant forgeries on the Delcampe site you should report them with your evidence that they are forgeries.

    As a layman regarding these Russian issues I would have no idea which is genuine and which is not unless the evidence was placed before me. I suspect this would be the case with most moderators on the sire as well. If you are an 'expert' in these issues report the forged items with your evidence and I am sure action will be taken.
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    • Posté le 16 mars 2012 à 16:56
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    Sir,

    If you do not want to be banned from this forum, please stop spreading false information. Your problem is that we closed all your sales because most of them were illegal... and you have been warned upfront (and you did not comply with our rules for the good of philately).

    S. Delcampe
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    Sir,

    If you do not want to be banned from this forum, please stop spreading false information. Your problem is that we closed all your sales because most of them were illegal... and you have been warned upfront (and you did not comply with our rules for the good of philately).

    S. Delcampe
    • Posté le 23 mars 2012 à 04:08
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    Bravo Mr Delcampe!
    And I say to my two blacklisters: There is one category labels / cinderellas: if you sell images of this type and this is the case, you must put them there and not elsewhere, there is no discusion possible. These are not stamps, even if you wanted to believe in naive collectors and even if you have a lot wrong so far...You have some nerve to come try to justify or to complain to this place!
    Good afternoon
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    Israël

    An interesting development on Delcampe:-

    Lien (http)

    I have been very irritated by bogus labels supposedly from Batum - that have never been anywhere near the place - flooding this category. I'm not sure if they still are as I have not looked for some considerable time! At the time I had some genuine British Occupation of Batum stamps that I was going to list until I saw the page apon page of bogus/illegal/fantasy issues - instead i sold elswhere.

    For me and, I am sure, others a significant step in the right direction.
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    • Posté le 26 mars 2012 à 11:03
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    I am interested to know why you list these fake materials?

    Looking at Kalmykia issues I could only find some genuine Russian stamps and some covers listed. Am I using the wrong search terms?

    As has been stated moderators are mostly volunteers who use spare time to try and keep some semblance of order on the site. Myself I have had items closed or moved. After taking a deep breath and thinking about it the moderator who did this was perfectly correct to do so - though I was a bit peeved at the time!

    In the due course of time I think most illegal stamp issues will be removed despite the protestations of those that list this type of material. if you buy this stuff to re-sell or have bought it the best thing to do with it is send it back to who you got it from. However it is highly unlikely the purveyors of this stuff will buy it back even at a discount as they know it is valueless but colourful paper only.
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    Israël

    Hello all,

    Thank you to all people who have applied to help us as a moderator to fight against illegal stamps. It is in process, and we already get good comments from philatelists from all over the world :cool2: :applause:

    Sincerely, :rose:

    Sebastien
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    Israël

    Hello all,

    Thank you to all people who have applied to help us as a moderator to fight against illegal stamps. It is in process, and we already get good comments from philatelists from all over the world :cool2: :applause:

    Sincerely, :rose:

    Sebastien
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    Israël

    Hello all,

    Thank you to all people who have applied to help us as a moderator to fight against illegal stamps. It is in process, and we already get good comments from philatelists from all over the world :cool2: :applause:

    Sincerely, :rose:

    Sebastien
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    • Posté le 28 mars 2012 à 16:03
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    First of all let me say that I don't deal with stamps - I know nothing about them.

    As Tony has already pointed out, we work on a volunteer basis and give up our time to keep the site "as tidy as possible"

    I have no idea how hendryk works - maybe he spots a seller with doubtful material and goes through the listings of that particular seller and it happened to be your turn; maybe he works category by category, but simply hasn't been able to complete a particular category yet and will get back to it during his next session.

    In my case, I spend between 30 mins and 1 hour a day logged in as a moderator. Some of the categories I work on are "clean" and I just check the days new listings and deal with anything that is not correct in those categories. After that I am going through the categories one at a time. Depending on which category and how much is wrong in there, I manage to do anything between 2 and 10 pages in a single session. As a result, for large categories it can take me more then a week before I am done with it.

    The truth of the matter is, that it's an immense task and there are only so many moderators and only so many hours in a day.
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    First of all let me say that I don't deal with stamps - I know nothing about them.

    As Tony has already pointed out, we work on a volunteer basis and give up our time to keep the site "as tidy as possible"

    I have no idea how hendryk works - maybe he spots a seller with doubtful material and goes through the listings of that particular seller and it happened to be your turn; maybe he works category by category, but simply hasn't been able to complete a particular category yet and will get back to it during his next session.

    In my case, I spend between 30 mins and 1 hour a day logged in as a moderator. Some of the categories I work on are "clean" and I just check the days new listings and deal with anything that is not correct in those categories. After that I am going through the categories one at a time. Depending on which category and how much is wrong in there, I manage to do anything between 2 and 10 pages in a single session. As a result, for large categories it can take me more then a week before I am done with it.

    The truth of the matter is, that it's an immense task and there are only so many moderators and only so many hours in a day.
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    • Posté le 29 mars 2012 à 12:33
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    It seems to be something of a grey area: stamps are legal for postage within the territories described, but ONLY within the territories, e.g. Transnistrian mail going outside the region must have Moldovan stamps attached

    The only conclusion I would draw from that is that they should be classed as 'local issues' as there seems to be no easy way of overcoming the legal/illegal problem otherwise
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    It seems to be something of a grey area: stamps are legal for postage within the territories described, but ONLY within the territories, e.g. Transnistrian mail going outside the region must have Moldovan stamps attached

    The only conclusion I would draw from that is that they should be classed as 'local issues' as there seems to be no easy way of overcoming the legal/illegal problem otherwise
    • Posté le 29 mars 2012 à 15:20
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    Yes, but the problem with Transnistria & the other "frozen conflict" lands from the USSR breakup, is that there are a multitude of completely bogus overprints (in Cryllic or Latin) plus non-postal labels that are not even legal in the local area either!

    It will take an expert to sort it out......if anyone has this expertise why not offer to become a moderator?

    I am not against labels & bogus issues & labels per se (as Collectors can collect whatever they wish) but agree that separate categories are necessary for them and that sellers must correctly describe their item.

    After all, there is an established market for French vignettes, WW2 bogus issues, even (deep breath..), some of the Free French issues with limited international recognition.....so what in reality is the difference?

    Maybe one day, some of the better labels may achieve Delandre status!
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    Yes, but the problem with Transnistria & the other "frozen conflict" lands from the USSR breakup, is that there are a multitude of completely bogus overprints (in Cryllic or Latin) plus non-postal labels that are not even legal in the local area either!

    It will take an expert to sort it out......if anyone has this expertise why not offer to become a moderator?

    I am not against labels & bogus issues & labels per se (as Collectors can collect whatever they wish) but agree that separate categories are necessary for them and that sellers must correctly describe their item.

    After all, there is an established market for French vignettes, WW2 bogus issues, even (deep breath..), some of the Free French issues with limited international recognition.....so what in reality is the difference?

    Maybe one day, some of the better labels may achieve Delandre status!
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    • Posté le 31 mars 2012 à 04:05
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    From my point of view, it is only a question of unambiguous description rather than anything more complicated.

    A "postage stamp", by definition, is a bit of paper approved by the postal authority of the issuing country or land that is affixed to an envelope to signify that the correct postage has been paid. Anything else is a label.

    Not my definition but that of the online dictionaries. I don't think that whether or not an item is catalogued is particularly relevant. No-one pretends that the French vignettes, for instance, are postage stamps, but there is a catalogue for them. I feel that membership of UPU is also a side-issue (I don't think that any of the remaining overseas territories of GB are members, nor are Marshall Islands, Andorra or Taiwan)

    As far as I am aware, the Transnistria et al stamps have no postal validity outside of that territory but that does not prevent other countries accepting them if they choose to. Maybe a similarity could be the old "city" stamps of Germany in the 1880's and '90's which are classified as locals but were sometimes accepted as valid outside of the city concerned.

    Let's try and keep it as simple as possible and non-political.....if the word "local" offends, lets try "limited validity" instead.

    The main purpose of this forum thread is, I think, to exclude or properly categorise bogus issues or labels from any country......not to clobber locals or "limited validity" issues. Otherwise it gets too political.......and we may get stuck on political non-recognition issues of countries like Kosovo or Taiwan

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    From my point of view, it is only a question of unambiguous description rather than anything more complicated.

    A "postage stamp", by definition, is a bit of paper approved by the postal authority of the issuing country or land that is affixed to an envelope to signify that the correct postage has been paid. Anything else is a label.

    Not my definition but that of the online dictionaries. I don't think that whether or not an item is catalogued is particularly relevant. No-one pretends that the French vignettes, for instance, are postage stamps, but there is a catalogue for them. I feel that membership of UPU is also a side-issue (I don't think that any of the remaining overseas territories of GB are members, nor are Marshall Islands, Andorra or Taiwan)

    As far as I am aware, the Transnistria et al stamps have no postal validity outside of that territory but that does not prevent other countries accepting them if they choose to. Maybe a similarity could be the old "city" stamps of Germany in the 1880's and '90's which are classified as locals but were sometimes accepted as valid outside of the city concerned.

    Let's try and keep it as simple as possible and non-political.....if the word "local" offends, lets try "limited validity" instead.

    The main purpose of this forum thread is, I think, to exclude or properly categorise bogus issues or labels from any country......not to clobber locals or "limited validity" issues. Otherwise it gets too political.......and we may get stuck on political non-recognition issues of countries like Kosovo or Taiwan

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    • Posté le 31 mars 2012 à 06:25
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    Agreed - we're trying to eliminate BOGUS issues here, nothing else, so let's stop nit-picking about terminology and nomenclature
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    Agreed - we're trying to eliminate BOGUS issues here, nothing else, so let's stop nit-picking about terminology and nomenclature
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