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  • grandad-47
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    I've just purchased some 2nd Class Christmas stamps and see that those from a sheet have what appears to be a QR code to the right of the stamp. The French post office have similar on some of their definitives.
    Can anybody shed light as to what their use is?
    Sorry but I've never been able to upload images on the forum. Can else where but not here???????????
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  • dave43
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    Does this mean I can't use old GB Xmas stamps?
  • grandad-47
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    I think it only applies to sheet stamps as I bought booklets at the same time and they are usual format, no QR codes.
  • grandad-47
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    Apparently first introduced 23rd March 2021.
  • auctionmike1
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    Each QR code identifies its stamp uniquely - embedded in its data string is a unique serial number. Eventually, use of these codes will form part of Royal Mail's anti-forgery campaign.

    The QR codes have already appeared on 2nd class Machins. In order that the code is not obscured, postmarks have moved to 3 wavy lines rather than the previous 7 or 9.

    In Germany, postmarks have switched to blue for the same reason.
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    Thanks Mike. Your answer interesting on a number of fronts.
    I wasn't aware that Royal Mail had a problem with forgeries. I had noticed the change to fewer cancelling lines but again was not aware of the reason.
    On the subject of postmark colours I had noticed red and blue postmarks on French stamps and imagine that the reasoning is the same as for German stamps.
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    Thanks Mike. Your answer interesting on a number of fronts.
    I wasn't aware that Royal Mail had a problem with forgeries. I had noticed the change to fewer cancelling lines but again was not aware of the reason.
    On the subject of postmark colours I had noticed red and blue postmarks on French stamps and imagine that the reasoning is the same as for German stamps.
    Royal Mail has a MASSIVE problem with forgeries. Many of the changes introduced in recent years have been attempts to keep one step ahead of the forgers, elliptical perforations and the wavy "Royal Mail" overlay to name just two.

    I have just counted almost 60 lots of forged Machins on ebay. Gold, red, diamond jubilee and "long to reign" 1st class Machins, 2nd class, several Christmas(1st and 2nd) and olympic definitives have all been forged and it is said that in some parts of the country if you buy a book of stamps from a corner shop it is almost bound to be a forgery.
  • dave43
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    Surely this is aimed at those (in UK) who use unfranked stamps! But then again surely there is so much extra post at Xmas that it will be impossible to check them all! But again its really a problem for next year or the year after when these stamps have been in use for a while. With postage approaching a £1 even more of an incentive to give to charity and NOT send Xmas cards!
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    I've just come across a French stamp with one of these QR codes on, is it Royal Mails plan to STOP postmarking mail and just to read these codes?
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    I've just come across a French stamp with one of these QR codes on, is it Royal Mails plan to STOP postmarking mail and just to read these codes?
    In the longer term, quite possibly, as the QR coded stamps are supposed to be no use after the 1st usage in that the unique code will be seen as used, but given that part of the problem in the last few years is that Royal Mail haven't been postmarking stamps anyway, thus assisting the rise in the re-use of stamps, to some extent they only have themselves to blame.

    I understand that the main reason for this is to stop the forgery of definitives which, by all accounts, is rampant. Special or commemorative stamps are not included because it's not worth the forger's while trying to copy them, and apart from a few collectors and dealers using up stock for postage, when do you ever see commems anyway?
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    In the longer term, quite possibly, as the QR coded stamps are supposed to be no use after the 1st usage in that the unique code will be seen as used, but given that part of the problem in the last few years is that Royal Mail haven't been postmarking stamps anyway, thus assisting the rise in the re-use of stamps, to some extent they only have themselves to blame.

    I understand that the main reason for this is to stop the forgery of definitives which, by all accounts, is rampant. Special or commemorative stamps are not included because it's not worth the forger's while trying to copy them, and apart from a few collectors and dealers using up stock for postage, when do you ever see commems anyway?
    I just wondered, I researched the old(?) Integrated Mail Processors a while back (the way of sorting mail installed in 1995) they must be getting outa date now and cancelling mail was a big part, of course the threat of scanning all mail may be enough to deter users of unfranked stamps! I think reuse of unfranked stamps was more of a problem at least this will stop it if they scan all mail (including at Xmas!) but how did this French stamp work surely it is only poss to track item of mail (cheaply) in home country?
  • moonstone
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    I just wondered, I researched the old(?) Integrated Mail Processors a while back (the way of sorting mail installed in 1995) they must be getting outa date now and cancelling mail was a big part, of course the threat of scanning all mail may be enough to deter users of unfranked stamps! I think reuse of unfranked stamps was more of a problem at least this will stop it if they scan all mail (including at Xmas!) but how did this French stamp work surely it is only poss to track item of mail (cheaply) in home country?
    I would imagine you are correct about the French stamp, but perhaps that wasn't the purpose. I note it is printed from Mon timbrenLigne, 'my online stamp' which means it could be just something someone has produced from their home PC via the La Poste website and the QR code is unnecessary
  • joulie
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    From La Poste,about 'my online stamp' :

    "Stamps as forgery-proof as the others.
    These stamps are obviously not just visuals to be stuck on an envelope.
    Each stamp is indeed accompanied by a QR code, which the Post Office will then scan when collecting the mail.
    It is not possible to buy one or more stamps to reuse them forever."
  • dave43
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    From La Poste,about 'my online stamp' :

    "Stamps as forgery-proof as the others.
    These stamps are obviously not just visuals to be stuck on an envelope.
    Each stamp is indeed accompanied by a QR code, which the Post Office will then scan when collecting the mail.
    It is not possible to buy one or more stamps to reuse them forever."
    can't really understand this, spose we must wait and see what happens (in UK!)
  • dave43
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    can't really understand this, spose we must wait and see what happens (in UK!)
    Another French stamp received 5/4/ 2022 with QR code attached, wishing me a Happy Christmas but which year?
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