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    • Creato 27 mar 2012 a 06:13
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    So, they've finally made the announcement.

    I looked at their website yesterday and it still stated that the current rates are valid until 1st of April.

    I already knew it was going to be bad as far as 1st class was concerned - didn't expect quite such an increase for 2nd class though.

    I hope international isn't going to be quite as bad, or they'll be forcing us out of business.
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    So, they've finally made the announcement.

    I looked at their website yesterday and it still stated that the current rates are valid until 1st of April.

    I already knew it was going to be bad as far as 1st class was concerned - didn't expect quite such an increase for 2nd class though.

    I hope international isn't going to be quite as bad, or they'll be forcing us out of business.
    • Creato 27 mar 2012 a 06:34
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    The RM website has now been updated.
    It's a real shocker!

    100g packet/printed papers to Europe goes from 1.49 to 2.70.
    40g letter to Europe from 1.00 to 1.28.

    These are the 2 services that I use most, apart from standard UK 2nd class.

    The full list is available here: Link (http)

    or in case a pdf link doesn't work: Link (http) and scroll down to personal customers - our prices 2012 pdf.
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    The RM website has now been updated.
    It's a real shocker!

    100g packet/printed papers to Europe goes from 1.49 to 2.70.
    40g letter to Europe from 1.00 to 1.28.

    These are the 2 services that I use most, apart from standard UK 2nd class.

    The full list is available here: Link (http)

    or in case a pdf link doesn't work: Link (http) and scroll down to personal customers - our prices 2012 pdf.
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    • Creato 27 mar 2012 a 09:48
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    It looks like between 25 and 35% across the board.
    Probably somewhere in there there is something that's only gone up by 2 or 3% and then they can say that the average increase isn't quite so bad!

    Also, they're bringing rest of the world zone 1 and zone 2 back. Remains to be seen what is in which zone.
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    It looks like between 25 and 35% across the board.
    Probably somewhere in there there is something that's only gone up by 2 or 3% and then they can say that the average increase isn't quite so bad!

    Also, they're bringing rest of the world zone 1 and zone 2 back. Remains to be seen what is in which zone.
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    • Creato 27 mar 2012 a 11:59
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    That's an interesting one: 100g letter is currently more expensive than a 100g packet, bot to Europe and ROW.

    As far as UK post is concerned: have you noticed the small packet rates?

    They've done away with 100g, 250g and 500g. Just a single price for everything up to 750g - that is a 65% increase for items weighing less than 100g.

    If you can afford it buy in loads of "valueless" stamps before the price rise and make up to the correct amount with odd small values.
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    That's an interesting one: 100g letter is currently more expensive than a 100g packet, bot to Europe and ROW.

    As far as UK post is concerned: have you noticed the small packet rates?

    They've done away with 100g, 250g and 500g. Just a single price for everything up to 750g - that is a 65% increase for items weighing less than 100g.

    If you can afford it buy in loads of "valueless" stamps before the price rise and make up to the correct amount with odd small values.
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    • Creato 27 mar 2012 a 12:54
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    I send all my UK mail 2nd class.

    I am lucky enough to have a sorting office in town and I take everything down there - most of the time my 2nd class mail arrives next day.

    Unfortunately my prices are already based on 2nd class mail, so I can't alleviate the situation by swopping from 1st to 2nd.
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    I send all my UK mail 2nd class.

    I am lucky enough to have a sorting office in town and I take everything down there - most of the time my 2nd class mail arrives next day.

    Unfortunately my prices are already based on 2nd class mail, so I can't alleviate the situation by swopping from 1st to 2nd.
    • Creato 27 mar 2012 a 13:01
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    That is just appalling. I thought that Royal Mail was a "price regulated monopoly".

    As from April, the cost of sending items to Asia (or America) will be £2 airmail or £7 registered.

    The comparable costs from here to UK are £1 airmail or £2.50 registered..And that is after postage costs here went up nearly 50% last year!

    Agreed Royal Mail is more efficient than our Philpost over here.... but not 2-3 times more efficient. Perhaps they use better airplanes?
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    That is just appalling. I thought that Royal Mail was a "price regulated monopoly".

    As from April, the cost of sending items to Asia (or America) will be £2 airmail or £7 registered.

    The comparable costs from here to UK are £1 airmail or £2.50 registered..And that is after postage costs here went up nearly 50% last year!

    Agreed Royal Mail is more efficient than our Philpost over here.... but not 2-3 times more efficient. Perhaps they use better airplanes?
    • Creato 27 mar 2012 a 14:02
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    This year for the first time the regulator has allowed them to set their own prices - the result is obvious!

    I have heard rumours, that it's in preparation for privatisation within the next 2 years.
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    This year for the first time the regulator has allowed them to set their own prices - the result is obvious!

    I have heard rumours, that it's in preparation for privatisation within the next 2 years.
    • Creato 27 mar 2012 a 14:52
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    Yes, looks like you are right. When I was at business school in London back in the '60's. the dilemma of Royal Mail was called "the law of supply and demand". Nothing has changed.

    I see that the volume of their postal business has declined 25% in the last 5 years. .Hiking up the prices to a level that is;way out of kilter with practically everywhere else in the world should assist to accelerate the decline and put them back at square 1 in a year or two.....until privatisation when prices will be forced up again.

    Seriously, though, I do hope that your international trade is not damaged too much

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    So, they've finally made the announcement.

    I looked at their website yesterday and it still stated that the current rates are valid until 1st of April.

    I already knew it was going to be bad as far as 1st class was concerned - didn't expect quite such an increase for 2nd class though.

    I hope international isn't going to be quite as bad, or they'll be forcing us out of business.
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    • Creato 28 mar 2012 a 05:24
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    I'm aware that the new prices come into effect on the 30th and they have changed the date, now that they've finally made the announcement.
    But I checked their website on Monday, at which point they still stated that the current prices were valid until the 1st of April.

    At least it gives me a little bit of time to decide what I am going to do - for the first time in 8+ years of online selling, I am actually toying with the idea of chucking it in.
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    I'm aware that the new prices come into effect on the 30th and they have changed the date, now that they've finally made the announcement.
    But I checked their website on Monday, at which point they still stated that the current prices were valid until the 1st of April.

    At least it gives me a little bit of time to decide what I am going to do - for the first time in 8+ years of online selling, I am actually toying with the idea of chucking it in.
    • Creato 28 mar 2012 a 05:58
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    My reading of the Royal Mail website is that business post rises from 2nd April and ordinary private domestic rates from the 30th April - presumably to attempt to deflect some of the criticism for non-business customers, that they will effectively get 1 month's grace at the current rate, and business customers are paying a reduced tariff anyway.

    Personally, given all the hype about the rates, I'm almost surprised they haven't gone up more. Nobody likes to be paying more but the truth is that, in relation to their competitors, Royal Mail have been charging significantly less than other national mail carriers.

    A quick check this morning shows that Royal Mail is moving into perhaps a more 'even' situation in relation to some other countries. A 30 gm letter to Europe (probably my most common type mailing to Europe) will be 87p from 30th April. Current rates (from Euro converter) to UK from Germany, France and Netherlands for a similar weight item are 84p, £1.13 and 91p respectively (and that's not to say those won't rise), so really we're not any worse off than our near neighbours, although some of the rates for larger heavier items do appear to have gone up considerably in some cases.

    Interestingly International Signed for rate is only going up 20p, or less than 5% and the insurance charge by only 10p, 2.5%.
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    I'm aware that the new prices come into effect on the 30th and they have changed the date, now that they've finally made the announcement.
    But I checked their website on Monday, at which point they still stated that the current prices were valid until the 1st of April.

    At least it gives me a little bit of time to decide what I am going to do - for the first time in 8+ years of online selling, I am actually toying with the idea of chucking it in.
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    • Creato 28 mar 2012 a 07:51
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    Basic rate postage to Europe is going up 19p (for up to 40gm) - will this really put off a lot of people from getting the postcard, stamp or whatever they they want or need for their collection? - I honestly don't believe so.

    None of us like to have to charge more, but UK is in no different position that anywhere else in the world. Worldwide postal authorities are talking about the declines in mail volumes and the need to increase rates to compensate (USPS lost some $4 billion last year!). Let's just take a deep breath and get on with it!!!

    Sam (glass half full!)
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    Basic rate postage to Europe is going up 19p (for up to 40gm) - will this really put off a lot of people from getting the postcard, stamp or whatever they they want or need for their collection? - I honestly don't believe so.

    None of us like to have to charge more, but UK is in no different position that anywhere else in the world. Worldwide postal authorities are talking about the declines in mail volumes and the need to increase rates to compensate (USPS lost some $4 billion last year!). Let's just take a deep breath and get on with it!!!

    Sam (glass half full!)
    • Creato 28 mar 2012 a 08:24
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    Moonstone,

    the 20 gm rate is going up by 19p.

    That might well be ok for stamp sellers, but if I want to send my items well protected, I'm afraid I fall in the 40 gm rate, which goes up by 28p. Given that a large volume of my sales is to Belgium and France, which are the 2 biggest Delcampe sites, it's going to make me very uncompetative, compared to sellers from those countries.
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    Moonstone,

    the 20 gm rate is going up by 19p.

    That might well be ok for stamp sellers, but if I want to send my items well protected, I'm afraid I fall in the 40 gm rate, which goes up by 28p. Given that a large volume of my sales is to Belgium and France, which are the 2 biggest Delcampe sites, it's going to make me very uncompetative, compared to sellers from those countries.
    • Creato 28 mar 2012 a 08:49
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    I totally accept that it's going to vary depending on what you're selling, but it's always the case that 'foreign' rates are higher, no matter which country you're in, so whilst I agree that it would make you potentally uncompetitive in relation to say a French buyer buying from a French rather than a British seller, it will be no different for a buyer in any other country to buy from a French rather than a British seller. They are still going to pay a higher postage rate than for a domestic customer, in the same way as undoubtedly you can charge less for postage to a UK buyer than one in another country.

    As Delcampe has a very high percentage of (to us) foreign buyers given the very nature of its being, then, yes, I accept your argument that it will skew it more than say if it were a UK based website with a higher percentage of UK customers but that is where we are and we may have to accept a lower non-UK sales level, at least in the short term, as I can't see that the Royal Mail problems are not being replicated elsewhere.

    It's not good news but let's give it a go and see that happens

    Sam
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    I totally accept that it's going to vary depending on what you're selling, but it's always the case that 'foreign' rates are higher, no matter which country you're in, so whilst I agree that it would make you potentally uncompetitive in relation to say a French buyer buying from a French rather than a British seller, it will be no different for a buyer in any other country to buy from a French rather than a British seller. They are still going to pay a higher postage rate than for a domestic customer, in the same way as undoubtedly you can charge less for postage to a UK buyer than one in another country.

    As Delcampe has a very high percentage of (to us) foreign buyers given the very nature of its being, then, yes, I accept your argument that it will skew it more than say if it were a UK based website with a higher percentage of UK customers but that is where we are and we may have to accept a lower non-UK sales level, at least in the short term, as I can't see that the Royal Mail problems are not being replicated elsewhere.

    It's not good news but let's give it a go and see that happens

    Sam
    • Creato 28 mar 2012 a 09:53
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    Like many others, I'm probably in a somewhat better position selling both stamps and postcards (and to be honest, anything else that isn't bolted to the floor!) so most of my sales fall in to the 20g and 40g weight bands

    However, I have found that many European buyers (and some far-flung ones) will happily pay £1 or more postage to get a stamp I'm selling for 20p - it all depends if that's the particular item they need at the time

    Perhaps now is a good time to invest in better (i.e. more expensive) stock so the postage element is a lower proportion of the overall cost?

    Quantity-wise stamps outsell postcards anyway, and since I'll be doing my utmost to keep increases to a minimum I'm hopeful that the effect on my sales won't be too great, but time will tell

    Good luck everyone
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    I'm aware that the new prices come into effect on the 30th and they have changed the date, now that they've finally made the announcement.
    But I checked their website on Monday, at which point they still stated that the current prices were valid until the 1st of April.

    At least it gives me a little bit of time to decide what I am going to do - for the first time in 8+ years of online selling, I am actually toying with the idea of chucking it in.
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    Like many others, I'm probably in a somewhat better position selling both stamps and postcards (and to be honest, anything else that isn't bolted to the floor!) so most of my sales fall in to the 20g and 40g weight bands

    However, I have found that many European buyers (and some far-flung ones) will happily pay £1 or more postage to get a stamp I'm selling for 20p - it all depends if that's the particular item they need at the time

    Perhaps now is a good time to invest in better (i.e. more expensive) stock so the postage element is a lower proportion of the overall cost?

    Quantity-wise stamps outsell postcards anyway, and since I'll be doing my utmost to keep increases to a minimum I'm hopeful that the effect on my sales won't be too great, but time will tell

    Good luck everyone
    • Creato 28 mar 2012 a 11:16
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    I agree with you totally Xtf, my experience is exactly the same, being often amazed that buyers will pay postage charges well in excess of the total value of anything they actually buy: recent example - buyer in Mauritius buys a set of stamps at 30p. Cheapest I could do P&P was £1.50 - paid, no complaints

    I agree with you also about better stock - perhaps it will serve a second purpose, as per another current thread on the Forum, to lose a lot of the cheap rubbish on (particularly) the stamps listings.
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    I agree with you totally Xtf, my experience is exactly the same, being often amazed that buyers will pay postage charges well in excess of the total value of anything they actually buy: recent example - buyer in Mauritius buys a set of stamps at 30p. Cheapest I could do P&P was £1.50 - paid, no complaints

    I agree with you also about better stock - perhaps it will serve a second purpose, as per another current thread on the Forum, to lose a lot of the cheap rubbish on (particularly) the stamps listings.
    • Creato 28 mar 2012 a 11:37
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    Do you know, I never thought of that!

    Mind you, given the state of a lot of the offerings we're talking about, they probably don't sell much anyway so postage rates are irrelevant!