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  • tony41
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    On browsing through stamps from Spain and also from Great Britain colonies I notice that there is one seller listing hundreds of stamps all priced at 0.49€ which have a catalogue value of 0.20€ or less.
    I accept that anyone can list items at whatever price they wish and it is up to buyers to decide if the item is worth the asking price. However, the listing of hundreds of stamps at prices which are well above catalogue value just clutters up the category and makes things more difficult for sellers who price their items realistically.
    I wish something could be done but I suppose nothing can be.
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    On browsing through stamps from Spain and also from Great Britain colonies I notice that there is one seller listing hundreds of stamps all priced at 0.49€ which have a catalogue value of 0.20€ or less.
    I accept that anyone can list items at whatever price they wish and it is up to buyers to decide if the item is worth the asking price. However, the listing of hundreds of stamps at prices which are well above catalogue value just clutters up the category and makes things more difficult for sellers who price their items realistically.
    I wish something could be done but I suppose nothing can be.
    • Aangemaakt 8 jun 2011 op 12:50
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    If sellers can't practise restraint then it should be up to Delcampe to monitor the situation and tackle the offending seller(s), although at the moment there is no restriction on quantities of identical items can be sold

    I think we need clear direction on this, and firm action by Delcampe to prevent total seizure of the site
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    If sellers can't practise restraint then it should be up to Delcampe to monitor the situation and tackle the offending seller(s), although at the moment there is no restriction on quantities of identical items can be sold

    I think we need clear direction on this, and firm action by Delcampe to prevent total seizure of the site
    • Aangemaakt 8 jun 2011 op 16:30
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    It's not duplicate items that are posted, and I believe I know which seller is being discussed. I won't state a name, but I did at one time ask why the prices were like that.

    I've seen some other sellers try to get away with $3 - $5 items that are only .25 / .50 each, even with proper cancels as they are.

    All I can say is that I would like to be able to post my material like that and will - without a doubt - underprice this seller's items by at least 500% and make a return on my sales. I have a lot of sorting to do! :)

    Some times, however, the higher priced items are nice and although not rare - scarce... Many aren't.

    One person posted some items and I almost spewed on the screen. They were so exorbitant, I e-mailed the seller and told him/her that the price should be lowered to save serious embarrassment. The prices were adjusted heavily.

    I don't think there's a way to have delcampe police this area of selling.

    AND - there's always an impulse buyer with money to cash in on these items because they want them now. :shoot:

    Tracy
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    It's not duplicate items that are posted, and I believe I know which seller is being discussed. I won't state a name, but I did at one time ask why the prices were like that.

    I've seen some other sellers try to get away with $3 - $5 items that are only .25 / .50 each, even with proper cancels as they are.

    All I can say is that I would like to be able to post my material like that and will - without a doubt - underprice this seller's items by at least 500% and make a return on my sales. I have a lot of sorting to do! :)

    Some times, however, the higher priced items are nice and although not rare - scarce... Many aren't.

    One person posted some items and I almost spewed on the screen. They were so exorbitant, I e-mailed the seller and told him/her that the price should be lowered to save serious embarrassment. The prices were adjusted heavily.

    I don't think there's a way to have delcampe police this area of selling.

    AND - there's always an impulse buyer with money to cash in on these items because they want them now. :shoot:

    Tracy
    • Aangemaakt 9 jun 2011 op 13:41
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    At least any potential buyer, searching for an item, will be able to see the various prices being offered by sellers and compare - result - the exorbitantly high priced seller doesn't sell anything. Do any of these people actually look at what is on the site before listing? - in many cases I doubt it.

    It also seems obvious to me that many sellers don't seem to have any recognised catalogue which they work from to achieve a selling price and it's merely guesswork or the triumph of hope over reality.

    I know there are differences between catalogues, Gibbons, Scott, Michel, Y&T, whatever, on certain individual items but generally they're not that significant, and where they are, often reflect local/national collecting fads - eg compare the prices for some MNH Third Reich stamps quoted by Michel Germany against say Stanley Gibbons - there can be a difference of between 50% and 100% in some of these
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    At least any potential buyer, searching for an item, will be able to see the various prices being offered by sellers and compare - result - the exorbitantly high priced seller doesn't sell anything. Do any of these people actually look at what is on the site before listing? - in many cases I doubt it.

    It also seems obvious to me that many sellers don't seem to have any recognised catalogue which they work from to achieve a selling price and it's merely guesswork or the triumph of hope over reality.

    I know there are differences between catalogues, Gibbons, Scott, Michel, Y&T, whatever, on certain individual items but generally they're not that significant, and where they are, often reflect local/national collecting fads - eg compare the prices for some MNH Third Reich stamps quoted by Michel Germany against say Stanley Gibbons - there can be a difference of between 50% and 100% in some of these
    • Aangemaakt 10 jun 2011 op 05:53
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    Yeah - one thing that any smart seller would do is to check what is out there, the frequency and the prices. If a catalog exists, check it out for at least an idea.

    I was using the old Forbin catalog for revenue stamps. Last updated - 1915. Also the Higgins & Gage set for postal stationery. Last updated - depends on section, but between the '60s and late '70s anyway.

    When I break into new territory, I check the competition. It's a good indicator on how well the stuff may sell - or not. You mileage, of course, may vary.

    Tracy
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    Yeah - one thing that any smart seller would do is to check what is out there, the frequency and the prices. If a catalog exists, check it out for at least an idea.

    I was using the old Forbin catalog for revenue stamps. Last updated - 1915. Also the Higgins & Gage set for postal stationery. Last updated - depends on section, but between the '60s and late '70s anyway.

    When I break into new territory, I check the competition. It's a good indicator on how well the stuff may sell - or not. You mileage, of course, may vary.

    Tracy
    • Aangemaakt 10 jun 2011 op 06:22
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    I recognise some of the catalogues are well out of date pricewise, but again, have a look at what's listed and what is selling at what price - if nothing is selling at average prices quoted, then either they're too high or there is no interest, so possibly pointless listing in the first place if there is a lot of unsold stock on the site, something I always do if I'm listing something completely new or outside my normal collecting / dealing area.

    For revenues, for GB, Commonwealth and European material, John Barefoot has issued various new revenue catalogues in the last few years which may be of use.

    It's always more difficult for postal history as price can depend on say one scarce postmark or instructional marking which the average seller may not recognise the significance of as specialist knowledge is needed, but theoreticallly, at least, this could/should find its level particularly if you have 2 buyers chasing it. The problem starts when someone sees an item fetching 'X', being the rare example, and a seller takes the view that that is the price for all such items, despite their item being a commoner version.
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    At least any potential buyer, searching for an item, will be able to see the various prices being offered by sellers and compare - result - the exorbitantly high priced seller doesn't sell anything. Do any of these people actually look at what is on the site before listing? - in many cases I doubt it.

    It also seems obvious to me that many sellers don't seem to have any recognised catalogue which they work from to achieve a selling price and it's merely guesswork or the triumph of hope over reality.

    I know there are differences between catalogues, Gibbons, Scott, Michel, Y&T, whatever, on certain individual items but generally they're not that significant, and where they are, often reflect local/national collecting fads - eg compare the prices for some MNH Third Reich stamps quoted by Michel Germany against say Stanley Gibbons - there can be a difference of between 50% and 100% in some of these
    • Aangemaakt 10 jun 2011 op 05:53
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    The idea that buyers can compare items is a nice one but impossible to achieve in practice. It would be necessary for a search to "pull together" all examples of a particular issue. This is impossible given that this is a multi-lingual site and also that some sellers give little or no information about their item (not even the date of issue) for a search to find. There is also the problem of different catalogues in use.
    When in buying mode, I am usually forced to browse through the appropriate subsection. This is when the clutter of overpriced items (the original subject) and of large numbers of identical items from one seller becomes apparent. Which is why I raised the problem caused by this clutter
    Tony
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    The idea that buyers can compare items is a nice one but impossible to achieve in practice. It would be necessary for a search to "pull together" all examples of a particular issue. This is impossible given that this is a multi-lingual site and also that some sellers give little or no information about their item (not even the date of issue) for a search to find. There is also the problem of different catalogues in use.
    When in buying mode, I am usually forced to browse through the appropriate subsection. This is when the clutter of overpriced items (the original subject) and of large numbers of identical items from one seller becomes apparent. Which is why I raised the problem caused by this clutter
    Tony
    • Aangemaakt 10 jun 2011 op 12:17
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    What would be nice is to be able to filter certain sellers out of the mix if one wanted to do so. Temporary, of course - and not black listed by any means.

    This could remove the certain $ .nn seller discussed and others like it. Might slow down the search engine a little, but it may be worth the wait.

    No doubt there would be a limit to the number of people you could avoid, but I'll bet that within this finite number one could whittle down the most of the chaff from the wheat.

    Tracy
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    The idea that buyers can compare items is a nice one but impossible to achieve in practice. It would be necessary for a search to "pull together" all examples of a particular issue. This is impossible given that this is a multi-lingual site and also that some sellers give little or no information about their item (not even the date of issue) for a search to find. There is also the problem of different catalogues in use.
    When in buying mode, I am usually forced to browse through the appropriate subsection. This is when the clutter of overpriced items (the original subject) and of large numbers of identical items from one seller becomes apparent. Which is why I raised the problem caused by this clutter
    Tony
    • Aangemaakt 10 jun 2011 op 12:17
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    One other thing that has been helpful is to be able to see the SOLD items here on delcampe. That gives me a decent range to work with for pricing at times.

    Since I have multiple catalogs, like Scott, C.O.B., Michel, Yvert, Dallay, etc. it is not too much of a pain to decipher price. My french reading has gone up about 30-50% since I started selling again (and working on a specific project) and for Flemish I can usually read the auction blurb.

    That said, I have been working in and around stamps with a professional dealer for about 20 years and have learned plenty from that as well, by writing up his quarterly auctions.

    There's a lot of up front work to be done. It isn't impossible, but it does take time.

    And - remember viewing the SOLD items. It helps me.

    Tracy
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    One other thing that has been helpful is to be able to see the SOLD items here on delcampe. That gives me a decent range to work with for pricing at times.

    Since I have multiple catalogs, like Scott, C.O.B., Michel, Yvert, Dallay, etc. it is not too much of a pain to decipher price. My french reading has gone up about 30-50% since I started selling again (and working on a specific project) and for Flemish I can usually read the auction blurb.

    That said, I have been working in and around stamps with a professional dealer for about 20 years and have learned plenty from that as well, by writing up his quarterly auctions.

    There's a lot of up front work to be done. It isn't impossible, but it does take time.

    And - remember viewing the SOLD items. It helps me.

    Tracy
    • Aangemaakt 10 jun 2011 op 16:55
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    My reference to multiple catalogues was intended to refer to the impossibility of formulating a search, by potential buyers. Another factor in formulating a search is that the site is multilingual. (I quoted my problem only as an example of the problems of potential buyers, not as a request for help.)
    My concern is that sellers who list large numbers of identical items or of overpriced items are swamping the site and making things difficult for potential buyers.
    Tony
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    My reference to multiple catalogues was intended to refer to the impossibility of formulating a search, by potential buyers. Another factor in formulating a search is that the site is multilingual. (I quoted my problem only as an example of the problems of potential buyers, not as a request for help.)
    My concern is that sellers who list large numbers of identical items or of overpriced items are swamping the site and making things difficult for potential buyers.
    Tony
    • Aangemaakt 10 jun 2011 op 18:11
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    I wasn't offering help. :D

    I was imply stating that there are ways to find some clues to looking things up and the clutter can be bypassed.

    I don't know if there's a way to limit sellers to a specific quantity because where do you draw the line?

    I see these as 2 examples:

    1) Posting 100 of the same item and the scan for each item doesn't change. OK, that's a little bit of overkill. Someone broke up a sheet of the same stamp and are selling singles.

    2) Posting 100 of the same item and they all have different cancellations or something unique to that stamp, like Philippines "official O.B." hand stamps. I don't see this as overkill.

    Whether you stagger it over a day, week or 2 weeks they'll still get posted.

    In my specialty areas, I know a few sellers who are offering items at 200% - 1000% of what I paid, depending on the stamp & cancel. I can see this as a buyer's one-off way of getting a few choice stamps, but even some of the common cancels are offered at these ridiculous prices.

    I just won't buy them until such a time I become rich or am lacking said items. I have a long way to go before I have to spend exorbitant prices for these goods.

    Per multi-lingual, well, there's not much to be said about a web site that originates from Belgium, where there are at least 3 differing tongues in the immediate surroundings. If one is going to collect stuff from somewhere where other languages(s) are being used, one may want to immerse oneself in the lingo. I use the translator for simple things.

    That said, it doesn't always do a terrific job. But, I've done searches in combined English, French and Flemish terms at one time.

    It is not an easy thing to get used to, but over time one can scan through listings and pick up "just enough" to get by.

    Your Mileage May Vary

    Tracy
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    On browsing through stamps from Spain and also from Great Britain colonies I notice that there is one seller listing hundreds of stamps all priced at 0.49€ which have a catalogue value of 0.20€ or less.
    I accept that anyone can list items at whatever price they wish and it is up to buyers to decide if the item is worth the asking price. However, the listing of hundreds of stamps at prices which are well above catalogue value just clutters up the category and makes things more difficult for sellers who price their items realistically.
    I wish something could be done but I suppose nothing can be.
    • Aangemaakt 8 jun 2011 op 12:50
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    You have to add some other factors.
    Some USA sellers are selling common MNH stamps with extra high centering condition in much higher than the catalogue price. Some times 1000% and more.
    The H&G prices are out of date (some hundreds and thousands percent lower than the market values). There are no new versions of these catalogues.
    But there are some new Michel postal stationery catalogues.

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    On browsing through stamps from Spain and also from Great Britain colonies I notice that there is one seller listing hundreds of stamps all priced at 0.49€ which have a catalogue value of 0.20€ or less.
    I accept that anyone can list items at whatever price they wish and it is up to buyers to decide if the item is worth the asking price. However, the listing of hundreds of stamps at prices which are well above catalogue value just clutters up the category and makes things more difficult for sellers who price their items realistically.
    I wish something could be done but I suppose nothing can be.
    • Aangemaakt 8 jun 2011 op 12:50
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    It seems that this thread has wandered off the original point which I was trying to make.
    I was not referring to sellers listing multiples of the same item (although this can be a problem). Nor was I referring to items where up to date catalogues are not available.
    I was trying to draw attention to one particular seller who regularly lists many hundred different items at prices well above any catalogue value for that item. I would add that there are a number of readily available catalogues which list these items. Searches would indicate that other sellers are listing these items at much more realistic prices so it is not a case where catalogues are out of line with market values.
    A couple of days ago I researched this sellers totals and found his/her items comprised 4.75% of ALL stamp items listed. In the case of the America region this seller's listings comprise 11.5% of all listings.
    My contention is that this seller is compromising the working of the Delcampe website and flooding the site to the detriment of other sellers who list items at realistic prices.
    I do not want to name this seller on open forum but would be very willing to correspond with a member of Delcampe staff if they wish to get in touch with me.
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    It seems that this thread has wandered off the original point which I was trying to make.
    I was not referring to sellers listing multiples of the same item (although this can be a problem). Nor was I referring to items where up to date catalogues are not available.
    I was trying to draw attention to one particular seller who regularly lists many hundred different items at prices well above any catalogue value for that item. I would add that there are a number of readily available catalogues which list these items. Searches would indicate that other sellers are listing these items at much more realistic prices so it is not a case where catalogues are out of line with market values.
    A couple of days ago I researched this sellers totals and found his/her items comprised 4.75% of ALL stamp items listed. In the case of the America region this seller's listings comprise 11.5% of all listings.
    My contention is that this seller is compromising the working of the Delcampe website and flooding the site to the detriment of other sellers who list items at realistic prices.
    I do not want to name this seller on open forum but would be very willing to correspond with a member of Delcampe staff if they wish to get in touch with me.
    • Aangemaakt 16 jun 2011 op 13:07
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    Tony,
    Exactly the same problem exists with one particular postcard seller. The seller in question can't even be bothered to list items in the correct categories.
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    On browsing through stamps from Spain and also from Great Britain colonies I notice that there is one seller listing hundreds of stamps all priced at 0.49€ which have a catalogue value of 0.20€ or less.
    I accept that anyone can list items at whatever price they wish and it is up to buyers to decide if the item is worth the asking price. However, the listing of hundreds of stamps at prices which are well above catalogue value just clutters up the category and makes things more difficult for sellers who price their items realistically.
    I wish something could be done but I suppose nothing can be.
    • Aangemaakt 8 jun 2011 op 12:50
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    In my opinion overpriced items is not as big problem as large numbers of identical items from one seller. As a buyer I decide what I want to pay at most. Sometimes it can be time-consuming to find similar items from other sellers to determine the correct price level. But in such a case I check the price from an online stamp catalogue (Michel).

    OT: Large numbers of "identical items" from the same seller is an issue that should be done something about. Maybe at most 3 "identical items" should be allowed to be for sale at any given moment (although I don't know how to enforce such restriction). Usually the same image is used to sell all of them. What you will get when you buy such an item is random. I try to avoid such sellers completely but their items clutter the stamp sections and make it slow to browse through them.
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    In my opinion overpriced items is not as big problem as large numbers of identical items from one seller. As a buyer I decide what I want to pay at most. Sometimes it can be time-consuming to find similar items from other sellers to determine the correct price level. But in such a case I check the price from an online stamp catalogue (Michel).

    OT: Large numbers of "identical items" from the same seller is an issue that should be done something about. Maybe at most 3 "identical items" should be allowed to be for sale at any given moment (although I don't know how to enforce such restriction). Usually the same image is used to sell all of them. What you will get when you buy such an item is random. I try to avoid such sellers completely but their items clutter the stamp sections and make it slow to browse through them.
    • Aangemaakt 29 sep 2011 op 00:42
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    The "multiple items from same seller" issue has a thread here: Link (http)

    Please note the response from the boss. You may want to act accordingly.
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    The "multiple items from same seller" issue has a thread here: Link (http)

    Please note the response from the boss. You may want to act accordingly.
    • Aangemaakt 29 sep 2011 op 02:04
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    De informatie is niet meer beschikbaar omdat de rekening van deze gebruiker is verwijderd (AVG)
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    It seems that this thread has wandered off the original point which I was trying to make.
    I was not referring to sellers listing multiples of the same item (although this can be a problem). Nor was I referring to items where up to date catalogues are not available.
    I was trying to draw attention to one particular seller who regularly lists many hundred different items at prices well above any catalogue value for that item. I would add that there are a number of readily available catalogues which list these items. Searches would indicate that other sellers are listing these items at much more realistic prices so it is not a case where catalogues are out of line with market values.
    A couple of days ago I researched this sellers totals and found his/her items comprised 4.75% of ALL stamp items listed. In the case of the America region this seller's listings comprise 11.5% of all listings.
    My contention is that this seller is compromising the working of the Delcampe website and flooding the site to the detriment of other sellers who list items at realistic prices.
    I do not want to name this seller on open forum but would be very willing to correspond with a member of Delcampe staff if they wish to get in touch with me.
    • Aangemaakt 16 jun 2011 op 13:07
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    One possibility to deal with this problem is to enable putting sellers into an ignore list, so that items from the sellers in my ignore list would not be visible to me. It would also be useful in other scenarios, such as dealing with sellers who you do not like for some reason.

    Obviously such ignore lists would have some effect on searching and browsing performance. I believe ignore lists would be either empty or very short in most practical cases.
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    It seems that this thread has wandered off the original point which I was trying to make.
    I was not referring to sellers listing multiples of the same item (although this can be a problem). Nor was I referring to items where up to date catalogues are not available.
    I was trying to draw attention to one particular seller who regularly lists many hundred different items at prices well above any catalogue value for that item. I would add that there are a number of readily available catalogues which list these items. Searches would indicate that other sellers are listing these items at much more realistic prices so it is not a case where catalogues are out of line with market values.
    A couple of days ago I researched this sellers totals and found his/her items comprised 4.75% of ALL stamp items listed. In the case of the America region this seller's listings comprise 11.5% of all listings.
    My contention is that this seller is compromising the working of the Delcampe website and flooding the site to the detriment of other sellers who list items at realistic prices.
    I do not want to name this seller on open forum but would be very willing to correspond with a member of Delcampe staff if they wish to get in touch with me.
    • Aangemaakt 16 jun 2011 op 13:07
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    One possibility to deal with this problem is to enable putting sellers into an ignore list, so that items from the sellers in my ignore list would not be visible to me. It would also be useful in other scenarios, such as dealing with sellers who you do not like for some reason.

    Obviously such ignore lists would have some effect on searching and browsing performance. I believe ignore lists would be either empty or very short in most practical cases.
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    One possibility to deal with this problem is to enable putting sellers into an ignore list, so that items from the sellers in my ignore list would not be visible to me. It would also be useful in other scenarios, such as dealing with sellers who you do not like for some reason.

    Obviously such ignore lists would have some effect on searching and browsing performance. I believe ignore lists would be either empty or very short in most practical cases.
    • Aangemaakt 29 sep 2011 op 11:04
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    We've already got a 'My Blacklist' section in the Control Panel - pity we can't incorporate that somehow
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    We've already got a 'My Blacklist' section in the Control Panel - pity we can't incorporate that somehow
    • Aangemaakt 29 sep 2011 op 16:44
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    But buyers who are in your blacklist can still see your items - they just can't bid or ask questions on them.

    It seems to me that making listings invisible according to an individual members blacklist is a much more complicated matter.
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    But buyers who are in your blacklist can still see your items - they just can't bid or ask questions on them.

    It seems to me that making listings invisible according to an individual members blacklist is a much more complicated matter.
    • Aangemaakt 29 sep 2011 op 17:13
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    It all depends how the database is structured, but I was just throwing that in as a possible suggestion
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    It all depends how the database is structured, but I was just throwing that in as a possible suggestion
    • Aangemaakt 29 sep 2011 op 19:41
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    Using the 'Blacklist' sounds like a good idea if it is possible.

    The seller/buyer can see he is blacklisted and his items excluded from the search and may be curious to know why! Suitable reflection when told may eventually sink in and behaviour is changed. What will be the point of listing endless items if no one is going to look at them!
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    Using the 'Blacklist' sounds like a good idea if it is possible.

    The seller/buyer can see he is blacklisted and his items excluded from the search and may be curious to know why! Suitable reflection when told may eventually sink in and behaviour is changed. What will be the point of listing endless items if no one is going to look at them!
    • Aangemaakt 30 sep 2011 op 02:39
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    It certainly would be a great idea if it could be done.

    So far I've been lucky as far as browsing/searching is concerned because my field of collecting is very narrow and not much gets listed in the way of items I am interested in and I can easily "look past" the odd ridiculously priced item.

    My one exception is postcards of Buckingham - no matter what advanced syntax I use, I always end up with 100's of Buckingham Palace cards in the search result, so I can easily understand why buyers get frustrated with pages of irrelevant items.
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    It all depends how the database is structured, but I was just throwing that in as a possible suggestion
    • Aangemaakt 29 sep 2011 op 19:41
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    Each item for sale obviously has seller id. If my blacklist contains a list of seller ids, I don't think this kind of item filtering when searching/browsing would be too difficult to realize. I believe any sensible database structure would enable this. I have no doubt Delcampe could implement this easily. There are already many different preferences that affect which items are displayed.