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    Bogus issues and labels     Lun 13 Fév 2012 17:59:13
Wycombe1 [100% (26543x)]  


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An interesting development on Delcampe:-

Lien (http)

I have been very irritated by bogus labels supposedly from Batum - that have never been anywhere near the place - flooding this category. I'm not sure if they still are as I have not looked for some considerable time! At the time I had some genuine British Occupation of Batum stamps that I was going to list until I saw the page apon page of bogus/illegal/fantasy issues - instead i sold elswhere.

For me and, I am sure, others a significant step in the right direction.

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    Bogus issues and labels     Lun 13 Fév 2012 19:40:23
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En réponse à Wycombe1 [100% (26543x)]   :
An interesting development on Delcampe:-

Lien (http)

I have been very irritated by bogus labels supposedly from Batum - that have never been anywhere near the place - flooding this category. I'm not sure if they still are as I have not looked for some considerable time! At the time I had some genuine British Occupation of Batum stamps that I was going to list until I saw the page apon page of bogus/illegal/fantasy issues - instead i sold elswhere.

For me and, I am sure, others a significant step in the right direction.
I've already offered my services as Grim Reaper, and hope you'll be doing the same too

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    Bogus issues and labels     Lun 13 Fév 2012 20:50:39
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I've already offered my services as Grim Reaper, and hope you'll be doing the same too
Yes - I will offer my services as since my semi retirement I do have a little more spare time for such services. In my opinion these often gaudy pieces of paper have done Delcampe much disservice as they have usually purported and insinuated they originated from a genuine stamp issuing entity - in most cases this could not be further from the truth and have been produced to mislead and cheat the unwary. I have no problems with these items if they are described and categorised correctly - which appears to be the whole point of the new revisions.

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    Bogus issues and labels     Lun 13 Fév 2012 21:16:11
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Yes - I will offer my services as since my semi retirement I do have a little more spare time for such services. In my opinion these often gaudy pieces of paper have done Delcampe much disservice as they have usually purported and insinuated they originated from a genuine stamp issuing entity - in most cases this could not be further from the truth and have been produced to mislead and cheat the unwary. I have no problems with these items if they are described and categorised correctly - which appears to be the whole point of the new revisions.
Good luck to both of you.

I'll stay well clear, as I have no idea what to look for.

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    Bogus issues and labels     Mar 14 Fév 2012 00:33:13
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Good luck to both of you.

I'll stay well clear, as I have no idea what to look for.
Going back to the issues of Batum - there are 10 pages of these on Delcampe:

Lien (http);

Out of the more than 900 listings probably no more than 10 are genuine items from that place. The rest are all labels that have never had and never will have any postal validity and probably have never been within 100 miles of that place.

There are quite a few more 'entities' that are in the same position - flooded out with fake and bogus issues masquerading as genuine. Those that manufacture these issues will have to find new venues to peddle their rubbish once they are properly categorised for what they are.

Most of the Nagorno Karabakh issues listed on Delcampe are fakes - at some very extravagant prices too. There are many, many more and I do not have the time to list them but I am sure most other stamp collectors will have come across some of these issues - many probably deceived into paying good money for rubbish!

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    Bogus issues and labels     Mer 15 Fév 2012 15:04:35
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En réponse à Wycombe1 [100% (26543x)]   :
Going back to the issues of Batum - there are 10 pages of these on Delcampe:

Lien (http);

Out of the more than 900 listings probably no more than 10 are genuine items from that place. The rest are all labels that have never had and never will have any postal validity and probably have never been within 100 miles of that place.

There are quite a few more 'entities' that are in the same position - flooded out with fake and bogus issues masquerading as genuine. Those that manufacture these issues will have to find new venues to peddle their rubbish once they are properly categorised for what they are.

Most of the Nagorno Karabakh issues listed on Delcampe are fakes - at some very extravagant prices too. There are many, many more and I do not have the time to list them but I am sure most other stamp collectors will have come across some of these issues - many probably deceived into paying good money for rubbish!
But donot forgot that a lot of Fiume and German stamps pre 1960s are with Faked stamps also Danzig so maybe we should ahave a Faked False section .Lol that will but the cats among the pigeon.:beer::ahah::ahah:

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    Bogus issues and labels, fakes and forgeries     Dim 26 Fév 2012 10:43:05
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But donot forgot that a lot of Fiume and German stamps pre 1960s are with Faked stamps also Danzig so maybe we should ahave a Faked False section .Lol that will but the cats among the pigeon.:beer::ahah::ahah:
Perhaps delcampe could provide a member-prepared area where common forgeries/fakes etc could be described and illustrated, n order to show some of the commonest forgeries, for example Japanese cherry blossoms, early Paraguay etc. there are 1000's of forgeries where easy telltales can be shown in order to allow less experienced collectors to compare. I had a similar page with around 100 common forgeries illustrated on the myphilately site before it closed down

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    Bogus issues and labels, fakes and forgeries     Lun 27 Fév 2012 09:46:20
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Perhaps delcampe could provide a member-prepared area where common forgeries/fakes etc could be described and illustrated, n order to show some of the commonest forgeries, for example Japanese cherry blossoms, early Paraguay etc. there are 1000's of forgeries where easy telltales can be shown in order to allow less experienced collectors to compare. I had a similar page with around 100 common forgeries illustrated on the myphilately site before it closed down
Normally i type in the word Forgerys and country and google seach ..I was surprised what came out.
Ebay has a section just for fakes,forgeries and it was mine boogeling what i found.
So if i can do it anybody can ( was lously at school ) Good hunting and donot get fooled by the Bogus:rules: I do have a 24p Machin as a fake which will be put up later when i find it .
Bob..

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    Bogus issues and labels, fakes and forgeries     Lun 27 Fév 2012 10:23:01
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Normally i type in the word Forgerys and country and google seach ..I was surprised what came out.
Ebay has a section just for fakes,forgeries and it was mine boogeling what i found.
So if i can do it anybody can ( was lously at school ) Good hunting and donot get fooled by the Bogus:rules: I do have a 24p Machin as a fake which will be put up later when i find it .
Bob..
Good idea Bob, but remember that not everyone will have the knowledge, experience or presence of mind to even think that stamps may be fake or bogus

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    Bogus issues and labels, fakes and forgeries     Lun 27 Fév 2012 13:40:52
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Good idea Bob, but remember that not everyone will have the knowledge, experience or presence of mind to even think that stamps may be fake or bogus
Actually a German friend was the first to make me aware of Bogus stamps...and now i have a few thousand in my collection which i will sell as bogus spacefiller next year......
Bob...:beer:

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    Bogus issues and labels, fakes and forgeries     Lun 27 Fév 2012 13:51:19
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Actually a German friend was the first to make me aware of Bogus stamps...and now i have a few thousand in my collection which i will sell as bogus spacefiller next year......
Bob...:beer:
I came across 'stamps' of Buriatia when I was collecting thematics; I put them in the display clearly written up as bogus issues - if nothing else it scores a few points for 'philatelic knowledge' when exhibiting!

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    Bogus issues and labels     Sam 3 Mar 2012 21:49:19
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En réponse à Wycombe1 [100% (26543x)]   :
An interesting development on Delcampe:-

Lien (http)

I have been very irritated by bogus labels supposedly from Batum - that have never been anywhere near the place - flooding this category. I'm not sure if they still are as I have not looked for some considerable time! At the time I had some genuine British Occupation of Batum stamps that I was going to list until I saw the page apon page of bogus/illegal/fantasy issues - instead i sold elswhere.

For me and, I am sure, others a significant step in the right direction.
Hello all,

Thank you to all people who have applied to help us as a moderator to fight against illegal stamps. It is in process, and we already get good comments from philatelists from all over the world :cool2: :applause:

Sincerely, :rose:

Sebastien

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    Bogus issues and labels     Jeu 8 Mar 2012 14:44:38
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Hello all,

Thank you to all people who have applied to help us as a moderator to fight against illegal stamps. It is in process, and we already get good comments from philatelists from all over the world :cool2: :applause:

Sincerely, :rose:

Sebastien
I have today had 3 items I put on Delcampe of Turkmenistan, Princess Diana taken off sale by Philippe. I can understand his action and have no problem with it. But, when I email him telling him that in exactly the same category there are another 70+ items of other sellers, and asking whether he is going to take them off too, he has the audacity to tell me to write in a complaint of each and every item concerned.
If he simply went to ":stamps", Turkmenistan Diana" he would be able to do his own work, but presumably he wants other people to do his work for him.

Ralph
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    Bogus issues and labels     Jeu 8 Mar 2012 23:04:31
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I have today had 3 items I put on Delcampe of Turkmenistan, Princess Diana taken off sale by Philippe. I can understand his action and have no problem with it. But, when I email him telling him that in exactly the same category there are another 70+ items of other sellers, and asking whether he is going to take them off too, he has the audacity to tell me to write in a complaint of each and every item concerned.
If he simply went to ":stamps", Turkmenistan Diana" he would be able to do his own work, but presumably he wants other people to do his work for him.

Ralph
(member389845)
I think this is why Delcampe ask for volunteer moderators as the task of removing all the illegal issues is a big one. There is also the big problem of so called fantasy labels, local issues and pure fake items listed.

This is why Philippe asks for the item numbers so they can be checked and then removed. For only one or two people to do this is a very big task. The more who report these items makes the task of regulating them easier.

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    Bogus issues and labels     Ven 16 Mar 2012 21:56:58
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En réponse à Wycombe1 [100% (26543x)]   :
I think this is why Delcampe ask for volunteer moderators as the task of removing all the illegal issues is a big one. There is also the big problem of so called fantasy labels, local issues and pure fake items listed.

This is why Philippe asks for the item numbers so they can be checked and then removed. For only one or two people to do this is a very big task. The more who report these items makes the task of regulating them easier.
There are a lot of fake USSR and Russia stamps on Delcampe. They work bad. I think they get a good comission of sales, so if somebody sells fake stamps they don`t care about it. I specialise on Russia and USSR stamps and I see it.

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    Bogus issues and labels     Ven 16 Mar 2012 23:15:54
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There are a lot of fake USSR and Russia stamps on Delcampe. They work bad. I think they get a good comission of sales, so if somebody sells fake stamps they don`t care about it. I specialise on Russia and USSR stamps and I see it.
The Delcampe team is quite small and there are "only so many hours in a day".
All I can say to you is that you report the fakes and/or prefarably sellers who have many fakes up for sale.

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    Bogus issues and labels     Ven 16 Mar 2012 23:43:45
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The Delcampe team is quite small and there are "only so many hours in a day".
All I can say to you is that you report the fakes and/or prefarably sellers who have many fakes up for sale.
I`m not going to do it. It is not my work and I don`t want to spend my time on it. I`ll better take a look on my stamps. Delcampe doesn`t work good and they have somebody called Philippe - I know he is very bad person here

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    Bogus issues and labels     Ven 16 Mar 2012 23:46:38
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The Delcampe team is quite small and there are "only so many hours in a day".
All I can say to you is that you report the fakes and/or prefarably sellers who have many fakes up for sale.
And as you say that they are little group - their system of Contact is amazing bad!

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    Bogus issues and labels     Sam 17 Mar 2012 00:07:50
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And as you say that they are little group - their system of Contact is amazing bad!
To the contrary - in my experience their responses are very good, but they have to prioritize and sometimes they cannot deal immediately with certain issues.

Hopefully, one of the moderators who deals with fakes/bogus issues may notice this and will get in touch with you.

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    Bogus issues and labels     Sam 17 Mar 2012 01:05:49
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There are a lot of fake USSR and Russia stamps on Delcampe. They work bad. I think they get a good comission of sales, so if somebody sells fake stamps they don`t care about it. I specialise on Russia and USSR stamps and I see it.
I agree with you comment about the fake stamps from the USSR and elsewhere and steps are being taken to remove/move them.

But as has already been said there are only a limited number of moderators - most who volunteer their services - to deal with the very many thousands of these items.

Myself I have already moved or closed many thousands of these issues and there remain very many thousands more to go - so this is a gradual process not one that can be done immediately.

If you see large numbers of these items for sale from a particular area or seller please do report them - action does take place in enforcing the rules regarding listing these items.

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    Bogus issues and labels     Lun 19 Mar 2012 10:33:35
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There are a lot of fake USSR and Russia stamps on Delcampe. They work bad. I think they get a good comission of sales, so if somebody sells fake stamps they don`t care about it. I specialise on Russia and USSR stamps and I see it.
Dear Kotiec,


We are aware that there are many fakes, fantasy labels, etc.. on the website. We are trying our very best to enforce the rules concerning these items, but since there are so many of them, it takes some time. As has already been suggested, I advise you to make use of the "Report item" link found on each item page to report any fakes and fantasy labels to us. Doing this will enable us to act faster. Your reports may not get treated the same day, but I assure you that they will get treated. We do care.


Kind regards,

Dimitri from the Delcampe Team

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    Bogus issues and labels     Mar 20 Mar 2012 20:46:50
Kotiec [100% (866x)] 


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Dear Kotiec,


We are aware that there are many fakes, fantasy labels, etc.. on the website. We are trying our very best to enforce the rules concerning these items, but since there are so many of them, it takes some time. As has already been suggested, I advise you to make use of the "Report item" link found on each item page to report any fakes and fantasy labels to us. Doing this will enable us to act faster. Your reports may not get treated the same day, but I assure you that they will get treated. We do care.


Kind regards,

Dimitri from the Delcampe Team

I don`t mean fantasy labels. Sellers wrote what they sell - so what the problem? If somebody wants to buy it go ahead. But if the seller doesn`t write it - it is bad.

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    Bogus issues and labels     Mar 20 Mar 2012 20:52:42
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I have today had 3 items I put on Delcampe of Turkmenistan, Princess Diana taken off sale by Philippe. I can understand his action and have no problem with it. But, when I email him telling him that in exactly the same category there are another 70+ items of other sellers, and asking whether he is going to take them off too, he has the audacity to tell me to write in a complaint of each and every item concerned.
If he simply went to ":stamps", Turkmenistan Diana" he would be able to do his own work, but presumably he wants other people to do his work for him.

Ralph
(member389845)
Almost the same is here.
Phillip replies only when he needs it, and send you e-mail only when he want, or when you send them 100 e-mails with an answer request.
It is an international web site, how could it be that the support team works so bad. It is an appropriate.
If you make such a business, please, correspond it!!!
And such excuses that we had small stuff and etc. are inappropriate in here!!!

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    Bogus issues and labels     Mar 20 Mar 2012 20:59:24
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Dear Kotiec,


We are aware that there are many fakes, fantasy labels, etc.. on the website. We are trying our very best to enforce the rules concerning these items, but since there are so many of them, it takes some time. As has already been suggested, I advise you to make use of the "Report item" link found on each item page to report any fakes and fantasy labels to us. Doing this will enable us to act faster. Your reports may not get treated the same day, but I assure you that they will get treated. We do care.


Kind regards,

Dimitri from the Delcampe Team

I sell fantasy labels as well as good stamps from my own country and neighborhood.
I don't mind to list them in this category with capital letter LABEL, I even think this is a good decision.
But when support sends me a letter that I should relist ALL material that I have in this category MYSELF in 4 days, sorry guys, but it is physically impossible.
I pay a pretty good commission, I deserve a right of support team at least tried to help me.
What I got instead, no replies on my e-mails.
I list ALL my new items in this category with capital letters LABEL, but I do not simply have a time to relist my all old items in such short period of time!
Why you tell this only now?
Sorry, why do you have such a small stuff team, as people say in here?
You an international web site!!
Sorry, but I think you have the means to make it bigger.
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    Bogus issues and labels     Mar 20 Mar 2012 21:03:13
Koshelapka [99% (12407x)] (Compte fermé) 


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I don`t mean fantasy labels. Sellers wrote what they sell - so what the problem? If somebody wants to buy it go ahead. But if the seller doesn`t write it - it is bad.
Forgot to add.
By the way, I ALWAYS write cinderella in description of the item and with capital letter almost all the time.
Most of people have been aware long ago what means Cinderella and bogus stamps.

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    Bogus issues and labels     Mar 20 Mar 2012 21:11:10
Kotiec [100% (866x)] 


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Dear Kotiec,


We are aware that there are many fakes, fantasy labels, etc.. on the website. We are trying our very best to enforce the rules concerning these items, but since there are so many of them, it takes some time. As has already been suggested, I advise you to make use of the "Report item" link found on each item page to report any fakes and fantasy labels to us. Doing this will enable us to act faster. Your reports may not get treated the same day, but I assure you that they will get treated. We do care.


Kind regards,

Dimitri from the Delcampe Team

Actually I ment what:
1. Lien (http)
2. Lien (http)
And find the difference. I`m sure Buyers have bought the same forgeries for 600 euros.

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