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    CORNISH PENNY(1)     Lun 28 Jan 2008 09:14:20
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I am looking for all informations about this 2 coins:

- the first one, made in 1811, diameter 35mm, on one side : "FOR THE ACCOMODATION OF THE COUNTY" on the other one "CORNISH PENNY 1811" with the picture, it seems, of a mine ;
- the second one, made in 1812, same size, on one side "CORNISH PENNY" and "ICH DIEN", on the other one "PAYABLE AT SCORRIER HOUSE" et "ONE POUND FOR 240 TOKENS 1812", with the same picture.
Catalogue reference??? Prize???
Thank you
cl2, from France

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    CORNISH PENNY(1)     Ven 9 Jan 2009 20:16:50
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I am looking for all informations about this 2 coins:

- the first one, made in 1811, diameter 35mm, on one side : "FOR THE ACCOMODATION OF THE COUNTY" on the other one "CORNISH PENNY 1811" with the picture, it seems, of a mine ;
- the second one, made in 1812, same size, on one side "CORNISH PENNY" and "ICH DIEN", on the other one "PAYABLE AT SCORRIER HOUSE" et "ONE POUND FOR 240 TOKENS 1812", with the same picture.
Catalogue reference??? Prize???
Thank you
cl2, from France

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These are 19th century tokens. Many 18th and 19th century tokens were issued by towns and counties and by commercial companies between about 1790 and 1812 when there were not enough national copper coins (and there were some silver ones too when towards 1810 there was a shortage of silver).

"Cornish" is the adjective from Cornwall, the county in the very south-west of England, where a lot of copper was produced which could be used for making tokens. One picture shows ingots of copper, and another product of Cornwall, pilchards (sardines). On the back are fine pictures of Cornish mines (which needed steam pumping engines to pump out water).

"For the accommodation of the county" means that they were intended to be useful to the people of the county of Cornwall.

The feathers with "Ich dien" ("I serve" in German, but it was probably originally "Your Man" in Welsh) is the badge of the Prince of Wales, who is also Duke of Cornwall. Prince Charles is still Duke of Cornwall, and he does actually own a lot of land in Cornwall and take a great interest in it..

English, Scottish, Welsh and Irish 18th and 19th century tokens are much collected in the UK and the USA, but unfortunately there are no proper categories for them on delcampe.

Leach

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    CORNISH PENNY(1)     Ven 9 Jan 2009 20:30:15
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En réponse à Leach [100% (131x)] (Compte fermé) :
These are 19th century tokens. Many 18th and 19th century tokens were issued by towns and counties and by commercial companies between about 1790 and 1812 when there were not enough national copper coins (and there were some silver ones too when towards 1810 there was a shortage of silver).

"Cornish" is the adjective from Cornwall, the county in the very south-west of England, where a lot of copper was produced which could be used for making tokens. One picture shows ingots of copper, and another product of Cornwall, pilchards (sardines). On the back are fine pictures of Cornish mines (which needed steam pumping engines to pump out water).

"For the accommodation of the county" means that they were intended to be useful to the people of the county of Cornwall.

The feathers with "Ich dien" ("I serve" in German, but it was probably originally "Your Man" in Welsh) is the badge of the Prince of Wales, who is also Duke of Cornwall. Prince Charles is still Duke of Cornwall, and he does actually own a lot of land in Cornwall and take a great interest in it..

English, Scottish, Welsh and Irish 18th and 19th century tokens are much collected in the UK and the USA, but unfortunately there are no proper categories for them on delcampe.

Leach
Thank you for all these details.
Best regards.
cl2

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    CORNISH PENNY(1)     Ven 11 Jun 2010 22:15:36
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En réponse à Cl2 [100% (33410x)]  :
I am looking for all informations about this 2 coins:

- the first one, made in 1811, diameter 35mm, on one side : "FOR THE ACCOMODATION OF THE COUNTY" on the other one "CORNISH PENNY 1811" with the picture, it seems, of a mine ;
- the second one, made in 1812, same size, on one side "CORNISH PENNY" and "ICH DIEN", on the other one "PAYABLE AT SCORRIER HOUSE" et "ONE POUND FOR 240 TOKENS 1812", with the same picture.
Catalogue reference??? Prize???
Thank you
cl2, from France

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Just to expand on what loach wrote:
Scorrier House, just south of the village, was built in 1778 by John Williams the Third of the Williams family, from the fortune he made from tin mining; it was substantially enlarged in 1845.
The 'coins' or tokens would be used as a form of local currency and presumably used to pay the miners' wages in part; they could be spent in the local shop or store and, as the inscription suggests, exchanged for one pound Sterling (£1) on presenting 240 tokens to John Williams' agent at Scorrier House.

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    CORNISH PENNY(1)     Ven 11 Jun 2010 22:33:45
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Just to expand on what loach wrote:
Scorrier House, just south of the village, was built in 1778 by John Williams the Third of the Williams family, from the fortune he made from tin mining; it was substantially enlarged in 1845.
The 'coins' or tokens would be used as a form of local currency and presumably used to pay the miners' wages in part; they could be spent in the local shop or store and, as the inscription suggests, exchanged for one pound Sterling (£1) on presenting 240 tokens to John Williams' agent at Scorrier House.
Thank you for your answer.
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    CORNISH PENNY(1)     Sam 12 Jun 2010 01:37:36
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En réponse à Leach [100% (131x)] (Compte fermé) :
These are 19th century tokens. Many 18th and 19th century tokens were issued by towns and counties and by commercial companies between about 1790 and 1812 when there were not enough national copper coins (and there were some silver ones too when towards 1810 there was a shortage of silver).

"Cornish" is the adjective from Cornwall, the county in the very south-west of England, where a lot of copper was produced which could be used for making tokens. One picture shows ingots of copper, and another product of Cornwall, pilchards (sardines). On the back are fine pictures of Cornish mines (which needed steam pumping engines to pump out water).

"For the accommodation of the county" means that they were intended to be useful to the people of the county of Cornwall.

The feathers with "Ich dien" ("I serve" in German, but it was probably originally "Your Man" in Welsh) is the badge of the Prince of Wales, who is also Duke of Cornwall. Prince Charles is still Duke of Cornwall, and he does actually own a lot of land in Cornwall and take a great interest in it..

English, Scottish, Welsh and Irish 18th and 19th century tokens are much collected in the UK and the USA, but unfortunately there are no proper categories for them on delcampe.

Leach
Notice that Camilla is normally referred to as "the Duchess of Cornwall" (although legally she is also the Princess of Wales, just like Diana).

Lien (http)

However, unlike Diana she is not Colonel in Chief of the Princess of Wales's Royal Regiment. That is the Queen of Denmark. You my not believe this. See for yourself !
Lien (http) .

Sorry to see you decided to close your delcampe account, Leach.

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    CORNISH PENNY(1)     Sam 12 Jun 2010 01:39:15
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Notice that Camilla is normally referred to as "the Duchess of Cornwall" (although legally she is also the Princess of Wales, just like Diana).

Lien (http)

However, unlike Diana she is not Colonel in Chief of the Princess of Wales's Royal Regiment. That is the Queen of Denmark. You my not believe this. See for yourself !
Lien (http) .

Sorry to see you decided to close your delcampe account, Leach.

Delboy
Try that link again.

Lien (http)

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    CORNISH PENNY(1)     Sam 12 Jun 2010 01:40:55
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Try that link again.

Lien (http)

It seems to be just one of those things that won't work.

Search for Princess Wales Regiment , and go for Wikipedia.

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