Actually I ment what:
1. Link (http)
2. Link (http)
And find the difference. I`m sure Buyers have bought the same forgeries for 600 euros.

And what is better - to sell these 'stamps' for 600 euro or provisories (real or unreal), cinderellas, fantasy labels for 1-10 euro.

I have today had 3 items I put on Delcampe of Turkmenistan, Princess Diana taken off sale by Philippe. I can understand his action and have no problem with it. But, when I email him telling him that in exactly the same category there are another 70+ items of other sellers, and asking whether he is going to take them off too, he has the audacity to tell me to write in a complaint of each and every item concerned.
If he simply went to ":stamps", Turkmenistan Diana" he would be able to do his own work, but presumably he wants other people to do his work for him.

Ralph
(member389845)

There are a lot of fake USSR and Russia stamps on Delcampe. They work bad. I think they get a good comission of sales, so if somebody sells fake stamps they don`t care about it. I specialise on Russia and USSR stamps and I see it.

Sir,

If you do not want to be banned from this forum, please stop spreading false information. Your problem is that we closed all your sales because most of them were illegal... and you have been warned upfront (and you did not comply with our rules for the good of philately).

S. Delcampe

An interesting development on Delcampe:-

Link (http)

I have been very irritated by bogus labels supposedly from Batum - that have never been anywhere near the place - flooding this category. I'm not sure if they still are as I have not looked for some considerable time! At the time I had some genuine British Occupation of Batum stamps that I was going to list until I saw the page apon page of bogus/illegal/fantasy issues - instead i sold elswhere.

For me and, I am sure, others a significant step in the right direction.

I don't mind, too much, if the moderator decides that the items I am selling are illegal and cancels the auctions.
What annoys me is that for example, today he cancelled 32 Kalmykia items of mine, but later when I checked into the Kalmykia site, there were still over 300 items listed.
Last time he did this to me and I complained to him asking him why he had left over 100 items of another place yet cancelled mine, he had the audacity to tell me to send him a list with the item numbers. Here was I, stupidly thinking that this was his job.
Ralph

I don't mind, too much, if the moderator decides that the items I am selling are illegal and cancels the auctions.
What annoys me is that for example, today he cancelled 32 Kalmykia items of mine, but later when I checked into the Kalmykia site, there were still over 300 items listed.
Last time he did this to me and I complained to him asking him why he had left over 100 items of another place yet cancelled mine, he had the audacity to tell me to send him a list with the item numbers. Here was I, stupidly thinking that this was his job.
Ralph

Hello all,

Thank you to all people who have applied to help us as a moderator to fight against illegal stamps. It is in process, and we already get good comments from philatelists from all over the world

Sincerely,

Sebastien

Hello all,

Thank you to all people who have applied to help us as a moderator to fight against illegal stamps. It is in process, and we already get good comments from philatelists from all over the world

Sincerely,

Sebastien

Moderators are volunteers not employees of Delcampe

Hello all,

Thank you to all people who have applied to help us as a moderator to fight against illegal stamps. It is in process, and we already get good comments from philatelists from all over the world

Sincerely,

Sebastien

Fair Enough, but if I was a moderator, I would work country by country, not jump around from one country to another leaving many items still on. This system the moderator in question uses just leaves a bad taste.

First of all let me say that I don't deal with stamps - I know nothing about them.

As Tony has already pointed out, we work on a volunteer basis and give up our time to keep the site "as tidy as possible"

I have no idea how hendryk works - maybe he spots a seller with doubtful material and goes through the listings of that particular seller and it happened to be your turn; maybe he works category by category, but simply hasn't been able to complete a particular category yet and will get back to it during his next session.

In my case, I spend between 30 mins and 1 hour a day logged in as a moderator. Some of the categories I work on are "clean" and I just check the days new listings and deal with anything that is not correct in those categories. After that I am going through the categories one at a time. Depending on which category and how much is wrong in there, I manage to do anything between 2 and 10 pages in a single session. As a result, for large categories it can take me more then a week before I am done with it.

The truth of the matter is, that it's an immense task and there are only so many moderators and only so many hours in a day.

I must thank mod_maria for her input.

Just to make it clear I do not target any particular seller. I target a specific territory or area. When items are closed it takes time for them to disappear from the listings so they will appear in search totals for several hours after they have closed.

Out of interest I had a look at the listings of Member389845 and am surprised he is drawing so much attention apon himself! Many of your listings are illegal stamps - Angola, Russia, Rwanda etc etc. If I was targetting someone like yourself most of your listings will have gone already. In fact several people have had accounts suspended for having fewer illegal items listed than you have had.

Despite this I will continue to target illegal issues as I have been doing but strongly suggest you get your store in order before you start complaining and hope that a moderator less lenient than myself does not go to town on your listings.

Sebastian,

I can fully understand the decision of Delcampe regarding "bogus" stamps, but what annoys me is that your moderator "%mod_hendryk"
removes sales of mine, which considering your new decisions I have no complaints with, but leaves on hundreds of other items of exactly the same places of other sellers. So far this week from the same places he has removed my material, he has left over 600 items of other sellers.

By the way, I well remember my meeting with you, and your US representative in London in February last year.

Ralph

In order not to get into the blacklists of moderators on Delcampe, I need answers to a couple of questions.

Are the issues of Transnistria (PMR) illegals? The Government of Moldova says they are.
Are the issues of Nagorno-Karabakh illegals ? The Government of
Azerbaijan says they are
Are the issues of Abkhazia illegals? The Government of Armenia says
they are.

For the first two I have catalogues produced in the capitals of these territories, for the third I have the official Russian catalogue showing them.

So, please tell me, and all the rest of the Delcampe community.
LEGAL or ILLEGAL.

Ralph

It seems to be something of a grey area: stamps are legal for postage within the territories described, but ONLY within the territories, e.g. Transnistrian mail going outside the region must have Moldovan stamps attached

The only conclusion I would draw from that is that they should be classed as 'local issues' as there seems to be no easy way of overcoming the legal/illegal problem otherwise

Yes, but the problem with Transnistria & the other "frozen conflict" lands from the USSR breakup, is that there are a multitude of completely bogus overprints (in Cryllic or Latin) plus non-postal labels that are not even legal in the local area either!

It will take an expert to sort it out......if anyone has this expertise why not offer to become a moderator?

I am not against labels & bogus issues & labels per se (as Collectors can collect whatever they wish) but agree that separate categories are necessary for them and that sellers must correctly describe their item.

After all, there is an established market for French vignettes, WW2 bogus issues, even (deep breath..), some of the Free French issues with limited international recognition.....so what in reality is the difference?

Maybe one day, some of the better labels may achieve Delandre status!

So its a big problem and i will add my bit.

HOW MANY LOCAL ISSUES DO WE HAVE IN UK
Answer LOTS ie Lundy or Shalloweye. etc.....

Even Northern Cyprus ( Turkish Controlled ) not recognized by the UN.The list goes on.

So easy solution Delcampe makes a category or 2... Cinderellas or Unclassified...

OR a 3rd category ie Fakes ,Forged ,lots of them in UK including the Penny Black

This D has done so no problem...But if in doubt throw it out..
As i always say what it is I have no problems with Sleeping.

At the end of the day u and only u are cheating or stealing from your customers and not Delcampe..

Ps show Type off Cat ie sg,scott michel etc with cat no to prevent any misunderstanding love the stuff Bob..

So its a big problem and i will add my bit.

HOW MANY LOCAL ISSUES DO WE HAVE IN UK
Answer LOTS ie Lundy or Shalloweye. etc.....

Even Northern Cyprus ( Turkish Controlled ) not recognized by the UN.The list goes on.

So easy solution Delcampe makes a category or 2... Cinderellas or Unclassified...

OR a 3rd category ie Fakes ,Forged ,lots of them in UK including the Penny Black

This D has done so no problem...But if in doubt throw it out..
As i always say what it is I have no problems with Sleeping.

At the end of the day u and only u are cheating or stealing from your customers and not Delcampe..

Ps show Type off Cat ie sg,scott michel etc with cat no to prevent any misunderstanding love the stuff Bob..

HOW MANY LOCAL ISSUES DO WE HAVE IN THE UK

In my CD catalogue I have around 100.

Ralph

From my point of view, it is only a question of unambiguous description rather than anything more complicated.

A "postage stamp", by definition, is a bit of paper approved by the postal authority of the issuing country or land that is affixed to an envelope to signify that the correct postage has been paid. Anything else is a label.

Not my definition but that of the online dictionaries. I don't think that whether or not an item is catalogued is particularly relevant. No-one pretends that the French vignettes, for instance, are postage stamps, but there is a catalogue for them. I feel that membership of UPU is also a side-issue (I don't think that any of the remaining overseas territories of GB are members, nor are Marshall Islands, Andorra or Taiwan)

As far as I am aware, the Transnistria et al stamps have no postal validity outside of that territory but that does not prevent other countries accepting them if they choose to. Maybe a similarity could be the old "city" stamps of Germany in the 1880's and '90's which are classified as locals but were sometimes accepted as valid outside of the city concerned.

Let's try and keep it as simple as possible and non-political.....if the word "local" offends, lets try "limited validity" instead.

The main purpose of this forum thread is, I think, to exclude or properly categorise bogus issues or labels from any country......not to clobber locals or "limited validity" issues. Otherwise it gets too political.......and we may get stuck on political non-recognition issues of countries like Kosovo or Taiwan

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Agreed - we're trying to eliminate BOGUS issues here, nothing else, so let's stop nit-picking about terminology and nomenclature

I can understand all the remarks made so far on this forum, but would like to add a few more thoughts.
What exactly makes a stamp official? The issuing authority being a member of UPU ? The stamps appearing in a catalogue? Proof of their use on mail?
1. Northern Cyprus, Transnistria, Nagorno-Karabakh are not members of UPU but I have received mail from there without additional postage.
2. A catalogue - A US collector will rely on Scott, a British one on Gibbons, a French one on Yvert, a German on Michel and a Swiss on Zumstein. We all know that not all items appear in all these catalogues.
Then what about all the specialised catalogues that deal only in specific areas. A good example being the BOC for Belgian Area (including South Kasai, Stanleyville and Albertville which don't appear in the larger ones mentioned.
There is also a catalogue issued in N-K for all their stamps issued, and then there is the Russian one which includes Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Tuva, N-K, Nakhichivan and Transnistria.
Then of course there are the catalogues/books issued for Lundy, Calf of Man and Summer Isles.
I even have a 2 volume catalogue of stamps of the former USSR areas which the Delcampe moderator calls illegal.
I myself have produced CD catalogues for manyof these countries/areas or whatever you wish to call them, and anyone wanting further information can contact me at
hillipo@012.net.il" class=a0110>phillipo@012.net.il.
Ralph
I am sure that there are many others.
3. It has been mentioned that maybe these can be called locals, but I personally have received mail from Transnistria, N-K, & Northern Cyprus without any other postage added.
So the idea of if in doubt, throw it out seems very far-fetched.