The Delcampe policy (rightly or wrongly) is to follow the UPU. Issues declared as illegal by them are not allowed on the Delcampe site however they are described.

If you list this type of material check on the UPU web site before you list. Or check here where most UPU circulars can be quickly found (left side of the page).

Link (http)

If you are in the habit of buying from wholesalers who sell this material it may be better to move your custom elsewhere because the UPU tends to play 'catch-up' so you may list items not yet declared illegal only to find them closed later when they are. Save your money and avoid a lot of hassle by avoiding dubious isues from dubious wholesalers.

With 'local' issues - these need to be in the local categories not in any of the main stamp listings. In the case of certain 'local' issues for uninhabited islands these should go into the cinderella or fantasy sections.

The Delcampe policy (rightly or wrongly) is to follow the UPU. Issues declared as illegal by them are not allowed on the Delcampe site however they are described.

If you list this type of material check on the UPU web site before you list. Or check here where most UPU circulars can be quickly found (left side of the page).

Link (http)

If you are in the habit of buying from wholesalers who sell this material it may be better to move your custom elsewhere because the UPU tends to play 'catch-up' so you may list items not yet declared illegal only to find them closed later when they are. Save your money and avoid a lot of hassle by avoiding dubious isues from dubious wholesalers.

With 'local' issues - these need to be in the local categories not in any of the main stamp listings. In the case of certain 'local' issues for uninhabited islands these should go into the cinderella or fantasy sections.

It is alright for Delcampe to follow UPU directives, but...
what happens when a country uses the UPU to forward its own political aims.
There are UPU directives (73, 263) quoting the Azerbaijan Postal Authorities claiming that the stamps of Nagorno-Karabakh are illegal.
Nagorno-Karabakh was never part of Azerbaijan, and is a part of Armenia, but that country is trying in all ways possible to gain control of it making use of the UPU for its political aims.
It is the same for directive 50 quoting the Georgia Post Authorities claiming that the stamps of Abkhazia and South Ossetia are illegal. These regions fought a war against Georgia some years ago to support their independence, but Georgia is using the UPU for its own political aims.
What about all the UPU directives for the Cyprus Postal Authorities against the issues of Northern Cyprus, another country using the UPU for its own political aims.

Look at this link and decide
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Dear Sir/Madam

The postal administration of CYPRUS asks me to inform you of the following:

"The postal administration of the Republic of Cyprus informs the member countries of the Union that the illegal regime in the territory occupied by the Turkish army issued, on 12 November 1999, a set of "postage stamps" entitled "Anniversaries and Events" for the 35 years of the so-called "Turkish Cypriot Postal Administration", the 125th anniversary of the UPU and the Eclipse of the Sun on 11 August 1999.

"As we have already stated in a previous representation and in accordance with resolution C 5 adopted on 19 September 1979 by the 18th Congress of the UPU in Rio de Janeiro, the above-mentioned "stamps" are, like all previous issues, illegal and cannot be valid for the prepayment of mail posted in any part of the Republic of Cyprus. Furthermore, in accordance with the above resolution, member countries of the UPU should refuse to handle any mail bearing these illegal postage stamps."

Yours faithfully,

M S RAMAN
Assistant Director-General

U just have to look to see what is bogus faked or not allowed ,end off story and comments from me.Bob

So in effect you agree with this politicization.
Thousands of letters with the stamps of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus go around the world all the time.
Would you say the same if PRChina did the same for Taiwan?
What about the stamps of Falkland Islands which Argentina does not recognise? Just because one country complains then you accept that the stamps are illegal.

What i`m saying is stop selling stamps that u know are Fakes Bogus or against UPU rules ....ie simple unless u are stupid

Thank you for the compliment of calling me stupid, and thank you to Delcampe for allowing your disgusting comment to be posted on this forum..
However you don't answer the simple question of how can a "country" be illegal just because only one other country complains to UPU.

I think the point is being missed here.

Delcampe are using the benchmark of items declared illegal by the UPU.

These items are not allowed on Delcampe so do not list them. If you do not like it then you have the choice to leave and go elsewhere. It is Delcampe who decides what should or should not be allowed on the site - not the moderators or anyone else and the powers that be have decided whether rightly or wrongly the UPU declarations/circulars will decide what is illegal or not.

Thank you for the compliment of calling me stupid, and thank you to Delcampe for allowing your disgusting comment to be posted on this forum..
However you don't answer the simple question of how can a "country" be illegal just because only one other country complains to UPU.

The UPU rules the Postal regulations since 1874. Moreover the fact to complain to the UPU doesn't mean that the UPU will agree with the complaint...

No one called you stupid. What was said is that "UNLESS you are stupid" (that you obviously aren't), otherwise these so-called stamps have nothing to do on Delcampe. Since you aren't stupid, where's the problem to just quit selling them?

EAFB.

So Delcampe has accepted UPU as benchmark.
You state that " the fact to compain to the UPU doesn't mean that the UPU will agree with the complaint"
But Delcampe is taking these complaints followed by UPU circulars as
"gospel truth".
So why are there :
584 Northern Cyprus Items
220 Nagorno Karabakh items
629 Transnistria items,
still for sale on Delcampe,
Your guess is as good as mine.

Ralph

So Delcampe has accepted UPU as benchmark.
You state that " the fact to compain to the UPU doesn't mean that the UPU will agree with the complaint"
But Delcampe is taking these complaints followed by UPU circulars as
"gospel truth".
So why are there :
584 Northern Cyprus Items
220 Nagorno Karabakh items
629 Transnistria items,
still for sale on Delcampe,
Your guess is as good as mine.

Ralph

..." But Delcampe is taking these complaints followed by UPU circulars as "gospel truth"...

What else could Delcampe do ? Rightly or wrongly the UPU tells the regulation about stamps. Delcampe just follows the regulation.

..." So why are there, 584 Northern Cyprus Items, 220 Nagorno Karabakh items, 629 Transnistria items, still for sale on Delcampe,"...

To expect immunity on the grounds that some others aren't penalized does lead nowhere.
In France it is said " no one is supposed to ignore laws" ie "everyone is supposed to respect laws". From there you can do what you want being understood that you may win or, of course, you may loose...

Wycombe gave you the solution. Soon or later, a Moderator is going to remove them.

EAFB.

You are completely ignoring my point.
All I am saying is that UPU passes on complaints sent tyo it by various postal authorities.
What I am getting at is that because one country is complaining about items being issued by a different postal authority (the examples I used were for territories not under the control of the complaining country) and UPU distributes this info, Delcampe is accepting it.
I have no problem with those directives such as the Russian ones concerning the issues of the republics that the complainant controls, or say those of Aghanistan, where they are complaining of items issued in their name.
These are two completely different scenarios, and Delcampe is not differentiating between them.

Delcampe does not have to differentiate. Delcampe decides what is or is not allowed on the site. When you sign up to agree to its rules and regulations. You have the choice to abide by them or to leave.

Whether we like or agree with these rules is immaterial.

Delcampe does not have to differentiate. Delcampe decides what is or is not allowed on the site. When you sign up to agree to its rules and regulations. You have the choice to abide by them or to leave.

Whether we like or agree with these rules is immaterial.

Just as Delcampe has changed its policy regarding "illegal" or whatever you want to call them stamps, given the information I gave in my last email, perhaps Delcampe can think again, and give a definitive ruling taking into account the two completely different categories I mentioned.
I have envelopes sent to me from Nagorno-Karabakh without postage of any other country. Could you imagine that should I want to sell them and put them on Delcampe, the moderator would say that they are illegal?
Ralph

This subject is getting boring.
Ground rules have been implemented by Delcampe.
Upu is the arbitrator .
So seller or buyers obey and except.
OR resign from the Delcampe Club.Yes Club .All Clubs have Rules .....True.
So give up on playing with words ie Those not obeying the Club Rules..Can resign anytime
Regards Bob...( nothing to Hide Joe )

Bob,

I agree with you that Delcampe should set the ground rules, but once we
the sellers agree to these rules, it is like a contract, and one side can not change the rules.
I agree that Delcampe can change the ground rules, but not rectroactively.
What has happened this evening is that a moderator has forced Delcampe to take sides in a political argument between Georgia and Abkhazia, by accepting the complaint of one side against the other through the UPU.

Ralph

You are completely ignoring my point.
All I am saying is that UPU passes on complaints sent tyo it by various postal authorities.
What I am getting at is that because one country is complaining about items being issued by a different postal authority (the examples I used were for territories not under the control of the complaining country) and UPU distributes this info, Delcampe is accepting it.
I have no problem with those directives such as the Russian ones concerning the issues of the republics that the complainant controls, or say those of Aghanistan, where they are complaining of items issued in their name.
These are two completely different scenarios, and Delcampe is not differentiating between them.

It leads nowhere ...

Latest suggestion. Remember this old saying ? If you can't beat them, you might as well join them ? It's up to you...

EAFB out of the thread

Sorry to have to bring this uip again, but when a Delcampe moderator quotes a 2009 UPU directive refering to Azerbaijan, to claim that stamps from Comoros are illegal, then it is going too far.
There is no UPU directive from 2009 with any reference whatsoever to Comoros.
Ralph

Sorry to have to bring this uip again, but when a Delcampe moderator quotes a 2009 UPU directive refering to Azerbaijan, to claim that stamps from Comoros are illegal, then it is going too far.
There is no UPU directive from 2009 with any reference whatsoever to Comoros.
Ralph

Can you confirm please the UPU position. Are you saying that it is the issues that UPU say are illegal that are not permitted to be listed even if they are authorised by the postal authorities & legal in the territory that issued them?

Also please clarify "....you may list items not declared illegal only to find them closed later when they are...." Is Delcampe providing a link to a "crystal ball" for this purpose? I am thinking particularly that mainstream countries like Uganda & Tanzania recently announced that certain issues were illegal well after their issue. Or is your comment directed to territories that reputable dealers know are "dodgy" anyway?

Finally, a plea on locals. You are, of course, right but there is no category for "locals" in some European countries. In respect of most Asian, African & South American areas, there are no subcategories at all for the vast majority of countries so locals, telegraphs & other BOB's have to go in with the mainstream. Will this be attended to or was your comment restricted to those few countries that already have "locals" category

Thanks
Mike

Sorry but all you can do is asking questions. But where are your solutions? What are your ideas to handle this? To change nothing?
When I look at your auctions for my theme "cycling" there are many very dubious items up to now (Palestine, Benin and Somalia).
All you are argumenting has only one reason: To make money with bullshit. The problem is that the background of this business is criminal. Producing fantasy stuff at the cost of nothing and selling it for fantasy prices.
Link (http)

In some cases catalogues helps, in some the WNS, in some the UPU, in some engaged internet sites and sometimes simply "common sense".
So when I see the stamps of Benin from the last years and see, that neither the WNS nor Michel has new stamps since years (exept definitives with O/P) or when I see that there are no stamps for Somalia in Michel since 2003 and think about the problems in this country I know that there must be something wrong with all these colorful pictures which are sold here.
So I'm very sure that all this stamps of Benin and Somalia of the last 10 years and all these thematic stamps about the "30th anniversary of the Olympic Games of Moscow" or sheets with cyclists issued under the name of Equatorial Guinea, Congo or Somalia or Djibouti for London 2012 are strictly illegal.
And if I can imagine this the seller do it as well.

There are some more sources to check the integrity of items:
WNS: Link (http)

Palestinian stamps: Link (http)
Tuvalu: Link (http)
Haiti: Link (http)


About some of the discussed regions here is a very interesting and nuanced source:
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